The Art of We

126. The Circle: A Real-Time Practice for Women to Lead Without Apology (with Barbs Edwards)


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If you’re a woman who feels like you’re performing, over-managing others’ comfort, or doubting your leadership instincts—this episode is for you. Krista and her colleague Barbs Edwards, introduce The Circle: a transformational women’s group experience based on T-Group methodology. Together they explore how this real-time relational practice helps women track their inner experience, speak with clarity and care, and break free from old patterns like people-pleasing, over-controlling, or self-doubt. You’ll hear personal stories, practical insights, and why collaborative, emotionally intelligent leadership is more needed now than ever.

(00:00) – Why women don’t have impostor syndrome—they have undervalued leadership styles

(02:13) – Guest Barbs Edwards 

(05:21) – What is T-Group

(06:59) – Speaking only what’s true

(08:54) – Tracking yourself vs. managing others

(10:24) – Why this work helps women stop performing

(12:22) – Barbs’ personal story: finally shifting lifelong patterns

(17:05) – Krista’s journey through corporate gender bias and self-doubt

(21:37) – Real-time feedback: How others actually experience you

(34:07) – How The Circle accelerates growth

(36:17) – How to join a free Taster Circle (virtual or in-person)


Reach out with your thoughts, experiences, and topics you want to hear about. We love hearing from you!


Resources Mentioned: 

  • The Circle For Women
  • Our Top 10 Relationship Agreements 


Get in Touch: 

  • The Art Of We Website
  • The Art of We Instagram 
  • Integrative Psychiatry Institute


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