Modern capitalism is typically thought of in terms of financial profit, but businesses can improve many aspects of the world and still sustain themselves. This week, Shawn & Ivan speak with Olivier Reymond of Royal Canin about the economics of mutuality. Olivier recommends Let My People Go Surfing by Yvon Chouinard (amzn.to/3E0ZRn3). Learn more about Olivier at royalcanin.com.