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Simon and Lee talk about risk, watching skilled people, how we humans spend our time, and the relative values of different types of work. Oh, and Simon gives a wee update on his 'bakery' and they both get into their changing relationship to beauty. 

Get in touch with Lee and Simon at [email protected].

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