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Ben returns from Patagonia with news of Ryan Sinclair, and also to discuss Ascension of the Cybermen and Revenge of the Cybermen with Mark and a returning Dylan Rees from Doctor Who: Too Hot For TV. 

In a sprawling discussion, they discuss Chris Chibnall's troubling obsession with throwing people from cliffs, pitch a Glitter Gun origin show to Disney+, defend the silly Cyber-drones, and revisit Wookie Hole to discuss the Curse of the Revenge of the Cybermen.

ALSO: Ben tackles the socio-political impact of the First Cyber War, an expansive history of Edinburgh's car boot fairs, the longest rally in Degsey's Ding-Dong Ping-Pong history, and a terrible Irish accent. 

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