In September of 2021, I asked Dr. Al Baird to move to Tucson for a two-month evaluation and consultation of the church. He stayed until Thanksgiving, met with 60 or more members of the church, helped mediate difficult situations, critiqued my leadership and offered ideas for refining the leadership structure of my church. Having Al help us was one of the best decisions I've made recently. In this episode, I've asked my associate minister to guest-host and talk to Al and me about Al's visit to Tucson.

You can reach Dr. Al Baird at 310-403-8127 or [email protected]

Special thanks to Brian Kling for allowing Al Baird to stay at his home.