Welcome to the last episode of 2025 for our podcast, Under the Surface! In this episode, SVL: Santavy vs Labute - The HoliDAVE Edition, get cozy with this special holiday edition of "Under the Surface"! Chris Williams and Dave Thompson are here to share laughs, swap stories, and spread some cheer as they chat with CCG's always-jolly Principal Scientist, Martin Santavy. From the wild beginnings of programming to the everyday adventures of debugging, this episode takes you on a fun-filled ride through the world of computational chemistry. There's plenty of laughter, a sprinkle of science magic, and a whole lot of heart as we talk about the quirks of coding and the power of good communication. Whether you're a science fan or just love a great story, come join us—grab your favorite mug, settle in, and let's celebrate the season together!

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03:45 The Journey to CCG: Early Days and Influences 10:02 The Development of SVL: A New Programming Language 14:56 Challenges and Innovations in Computational Chemistry 20:55 The Evolution of CCG and Its Market Position 22:23 Reflections on Missed Opportunities 24:25 The Evolution of Software in Chemistry 26:50 Navigating the Language of Chemistry 30:54 The Importance of Communication in Science 35:32 Debugging and Problem Solving 42:45 The Joy of Software Development 50:35 Passion for Science and Software

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