In this episode I talked with Dr. John M. Owen, the Ambassador Henry J. and Mrs. Marion R. Taylor Professor of Politics at the University of Virginia. He is also the author of a book called, The Ecology of Nations, and he is the recent recipient of the 2025 Grawemeyer Award for World Order. Back in August of 2024, I interviewed Dr. Owen to discuss his book, The Ecology of Nations, and his political philosophy on foreign affairs.

In this discussion we talk about the complex relationship between domestic politics and geopolitics, the tendencies of authoritarian governments, the flirtatious relationship between some right wing Republicans and authoritarian regimes, and the Iran/Israel 12 day war. This was a wide ranging conversation but it’s one that you don’t want to miss. I hope you enjoy!

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