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This week we have Nate Kinsella of Birthmark, LIES, Joan of Arc, and the reformed American Football on to talk about the Talk Talk album Laughing Stock.We also discuss: Nasty Nate, Birthmark contributors, where you been eatin', Shudder to Think, learning Ableton, the Terminal 5 show, Nate's Joan of Arc era, Tim Kinsella, Melina's "guitar", the LIES record, creating the Birth of Omni, reconciling old material, the photography mind, Tuareg Guitar, Make Believe, who is your favorite Fat Wreck Chords band, Minneapolis bands, the Rick Rubin book, American Football LP3, Tiny Desk Concerts, this is their Dear You right?, Talk Talk's eras, expressing a singular vision, writing with Mike, opening with amp noise, CAN, Myrrhman, Krishna in the midwest, Laughing Stock's spirit of exploration, the first time Nate heard this record, and so much more.

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