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Today, I'm talking to Steve Saindon, from Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Steve and his wife, Kelli, have planted and led churches all over the Midwest. What makes Steve so remarkable is that in spite of following Christ and leading in six different decades, he is continuing to grow and bear fruit for God. He recently taught a class at the Climb Small Church Leadership Conference about the Leader's View of God. It impacted me deeply. He reveals in this episode why we tend toward duty and obligation as disciples and how we can reignite grace and love in our relationship with God by a very counterintuitive method. Find out the secret to reigniting your passion for God in this episode of the Rob Skinner Podcast!