“Racism has been used as this tool for centuries to divide and conquer, and to separate ordinary people of different colors, and to keep them from working together to challenge the corporate domination of working people and the planet.” - David Dean

Ever Forward Club’s Ashanti Branch is joined by David Dean. David is a political educator, speaker, and writer dedicated to supporting white people to engage in multiracial social movements with emotional strength, political clarity, and fierce purpose. Whether it’s in the hallways of Oakland Public Schools or the neighborhoods of working-class Americans, Ashanti and David both agree in the power of universal belonging and the power of the phrase, “There is more to me than you can see just by looking at me.” Please enjoy their conversation, as they explore the breadth and depth of overcoming prejudice in order to achieve a higher purpose.

(0:30) Ashanti’s introduction

(3:30) David introduces himself, his work providing antiracism education to white people, and what Whiteness took away from white people. Then, he and Ashanti discuss the tricks of the adult bullies of the world.

(11:50) Ashanti shares the front of his mask - serious, intense, caring, funny.

(17:20) David shares the front of his mask - confident, connected to purpose, generous + loving.

(21:55) Ashanti shares the back of his mask - fear, organizational drama, worry - and wonders whether he’s afraid to let people see him cry.

(29:00) David shares the back of his mask - fearful of being outcast, overwhelmed by and fearful of death and suffering, belief in universal belonging - and goes into the complications of working with white people on antiracism.

(41:20) Ashanti and David go deeper into antiracist education. 

(46:30) David breaks down the history of racial socialization.

(50:30) David shares how you can get in touch with him and shares some last words.

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Connect with David Dean:

Website: davidbfdean.com

Instagram: instagram.com/davidbfdean

Create your own mask anonymously at millionmask.org

Email us questions and comments at [email protected] 

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Connect with Ashanti Branch:

Instagram: instagram.com/branchspeaks

Facebook: facebook.com/BranchSpeaks

Twitter: twitter.com/BranchSpeaks

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ashantibranch

Website: branchspeaks.com

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