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In the second of their David Tennant and Catherine Tate specials, Ben and Mark turn their attentions to Wild Blue Yonder, and pair it with both Big Finish's Scherzo, written by Rob Shearman, and Underworld, written by Bob Baker and Dave Martin.

Ben and Mark discuss Doctor Who's changing relationship with technology, from the primitive virtual sets of Underworld to the more advanced virtual sets of Wild Blue Yonder. But was the REDACTED marketing the downfall of an otherwise terrific story? And could Big Finish release something like Scherzo today?

Also: Mark gets out the good china and the Dalek napkin rings, while Ben finds out how many cupcakes you can fit inside a Dalek. 

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