In 2018, Jefferson Glassie interviewed Michael for Episode 55 of Planetary Gig Talk. Their conversation was profound, and addressed many fantastic musical topics. They decided another conversation would be good to do, and this one covers more incredibly esoteric and important musical topics, including intention, the holographic nature of the universe, vibration, quantum physics, perfection of intent, music shamans, the Fong, Hermeticism, and many more.