Stephanie Hazel interviews medical polymath Jimi Wollumbin, who shares his research on the deeply mythic, mystical and sophisticated roots of Western Herbal Medicine - digging all the way back to Ancient Greece to discover teachings on Qi and Numa, underground group psychedelic journeys and forgotten Hippocratic traditions. We discuss the difference between Immanence and Transcendence as ways of experiencing the sacred, as well as how the a mis-translation of the greek word Numa (spirit or breath) gave rise to a split between the embodied and sensual experience of the divine and the disembodied Holy Ghost.