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In this episode of The Elder Tree Podcast, Taj sits down with Jaynaya D'Esterre, medical herbalist, spagyrist, regenerative medicinal gardener and founder of Dose Botanicals, to explore the intimate relationship between plants, people and place.
From the slow evolution of a medicinal garden to the alchemy of medicine making, we explore what it means to practise herbalism as something more than a profession — as a way of life, a relationship, and an ongoing apprenticeship with the living world.
Jaynaya shares her experiences of cultivating a medicinal garden over the past decade, including the patience of building soil, learning through failure, navigating water scarcity and growing over 90 species of medicinal plants. We delve into practical approaches to seed germination, ecological gardening, harvesting and processing herbs, alongside the fascinating world of spagyric medicine.
Our conversation also wanders into the less tangible landscapes of herbalism: poisonous plants, animism, reciprocity, ancestral knowledge and the ways in which gardening can cultivate a deeper sense of belonging.
We also discuss the realities of making a livelihood from herbalism, the tension between creating medicine and marketing it, and the importance of honouring complexity without making knowledge inaccessible.
Jaynaya D’Esterre Atkins: Creator of DOSE Botanicals
https://www.dosebotanicals.com.au/
Bachelor of Health Science (Western Herbal Medicine) | Cert IV Alcohol & Other Drugs | First Aid Level 2 + CPR | Working with Children check | Australian Bush Flower Essences Level I & II | Permaculture Design & Teacher Training | Cert IV Small Business | Annual Continued Professional Education (CPE)
Jaynaya is a registered Western herbalist, researcher, and founder of DOSE Botanicals. Her work integrates historical ethnobotany, traditional Western herbalism, and spagyric laboratory practice, with a particular focus on the philosophical and material foundations of medicine in the ancient world.
Whilst continuing her private practice in a limited capacity, Jaynaya is currently undertaking formal study in ancient history. Her research interests span Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Graeco-Roman, and Graeco-Arabic medical traditions, alongside the expansion of alchemical knowledge from antiquity into early modern Europe. Her work seeks to bridge scholarly research with applied botanical practice, examining how historical frameworks of medicine, cosmology, and material transformation inform contemporary herbalism.
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** TAJ SCICLUNA / BOTANICAL EDUCATION OFFERINGS**
Taj Scicluna is a Botanical Educator, Bioregional Herbalist and Awe Seeker.
Rekindling Herbal Enchantment whilst Honouring the Science.
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What a year it has been! In this special Herbal Education episode, I step back from our usual conversations to share an overview of The Elder Tree as a whole, the milestones we’ve celebrated between the Spring Equinox of 2025 and this one, and what’s sprouting for the year ahead.
I begin with who we are: a national charity based on Bundjalung Country in Mullumbimby, supporting the many pathways of herbal medicine in Australia through grassroots herbal education, relocalising herbal medicine, and building stronger, more resilient communities.
Then we wander through the year together. The birth of The Elder Tree Newsletter and the wonderful teachers who write for it. Becoming a registered charity. The Lutruwita Herb Farm Tour, and the first seeds of the Australian Herb Growers Network. The official opening of our Educational Medicine Garden at the Mullum Gardens Eco Hub, our 4-4-4 birthday tree planting, and our first permanent structure. Our weaving with the wider Eco Hub community, big changes in our podcast family, and our ongoing commitment to Sociocracy and Nonviolent Communication.
Finally, I share what’s ahead: more herb farm tours, the creation of an Australian herb growers network, our Roots of Resilience program, Kaja Skraskova’s Herbal Creams Making Workshop, and many more exciting things in store.
Thank you to every single person who has helped this tree grow. We couldn’t do it without you.
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This is a live talk given as the keynote speech at the Welsh Confest "Plants People Culture" at Pandy Farm in North Wales, just a few days ago. In this presentation, Stephanie Hazel situates knowledge of plants and herbalism within the broader context of cultural heritage, belonging, sovereignty and ecological repair.
This episode explores these themes using concrete examples of wild local plants, particularly Nettle, Dandelion and Apple.
Main points
Heading to Wales?
Check out Pandy Farm (or at least pick up some of their incredible veggies) here: www.pandyfarm.org
Want a short course on Plant Listening?
You can study with me for one month here -
https://stephaniehazel.com.au/plant-allies/
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Eating "clean." Skipping breakfast for intermittent fasting. Feeling guilty after carbs. They sound like healthy habits… but are they?
In this episode, Cat Green sits down with naturopathCasey Conroy to pull apart the blurry line between wellness culture and disordered eating, and why so many of us- health-conscious folk and practitioners alike- are missing the red flags hiding in plain sight.
Casey shares why disordered eating is so much more commonthan most of us realise, especially when restrictive habits get dressed up as "discipline" or "clean living." Together, they explore how naturopathic principles can offer a more grounded, whole-person approach to food and body image, why weight loss so often gets used as a catch-all fix for problems it can't actually solve, and what the research says about the real cost of yo-yo dieting and weight cycling.
It's an honest, wide-ranging chat covering wellness culture,body image, the history behind our obsession with body size, and how practitioners and everyday people alike can build a healthier, more compassionate relationship with food; one rooted in curiosity and care rather than control.
Casey’s got a tonne of free resources:
Instagram
Free webinar: Shit, I Think My Client Has Disordered Eating. Now What?
Free Guide: 7 Red Flags of Disordered Eating
DECIDE practitioner training and her website
Casey Conroy is a dietitian and naturopath with aparticular interest in eating disorders, disordered eating and helping practitioners practise in ways that support health without causing more fear around food or bodies.
She started her professional life as a veterinarianbefore eventually finding her way into nutrition and natural medicine. Her work is informed by both clinical experience and her own lived experience of an eating disorder, and she now spends much of her time working at the intersection of nutrition, herbal medicine, eating disorder care and weight-inclusive practice.
Casey is the creator of DECIDE, a disordered eatingtraining program for naturopaths, nutritionists, herbalists and other natural health practitioners, and she has a particular love of bringing eating disorder-informed practice back to the foundations of naturopathy: First Do No Harm, Treat the Whole Person, and the Therapeutic Order.
Connect with Cat Green, Everyday Empowered
Instagram and her website and learn about her online membership the Home Herbalist Club
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This special edition episode is a reflective field note from Gruyere, Switzerland, where Stephanie Hazel explores what it means to meet ancestral plants in their native landscape while living in a different country. The episode moves between family history, herbal medicine, ecology, and the emotional tension of belonging, loss, and rediscovery. The conversation centres on how plants like dandelion, nettle, elder, plantain, and willow reveal both ecological function and cultural memory. It also asks a bigger question: how do we listen to the land we live on, especially when we are not indigenous to it?
Connect With Stephanie Hazel
A 4-week introductory course in Plant Listening: Plant Allies
Connect With the Elder Tree
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What does it mean to love medicinal plants while participating in an industry that can also place them under threat?
In this episode, I sit down with herbalist, naturopath, medicine maker and herb farmer Monica Francia of Hop Valley Herb Farm to explore a conversation I believe we need to be having much more often in herbalism: the conservation of at-risk and endangered medicinal plants.
Herbal medicine is often assumed to be inherently sustainable because it is “natural”, but our medicines exist within complex global supply chains. Increasing demand, wild harvesting, habitat loss, slow-growing species and a lack of transparency around sourcing can place enormous pressure on the very plants we claim to love. Rather than simply creating another list of herbs we should or shouldn't use, Mon and I explore how we might build a more thoughtful, relational and non-extractive practice around them.
We talk about Mon's experience growing plants such as rhodiola, arnica, ginseng and bloodroot, and what happens when you actually witness the years of growth, difficult germination, careful propagation and tending required to produce a small amount of medicine. Growing these plants changes our understanding of their value. Suddenly, a root isn't simply something that arrives dried in a bag—it is a living being that may have taken four years or more before it was ready to harvest.
We also explore bioregional herbalism and medicinal sovereignty: using the abundant medicines around us, supporting local herb farmers, growing what we can ourselves, and developing networks where growers in different climates can exchange medicines rather than expecting every herb to grow everywhere. Sometimes the humble, abundant plants—lemon balm, nettle, chamomile or blue vervain—can be incredibly potent medicines, without the ecological pressures attached to rarer species.
Ultimately, this conversation is an invitation to bring reverence back into herbalism.
If we are going to call ourselves plant people, then our relationship with herbs must include not only what they can do for us, but how we can tend to them in return.
Monica Francia
Hop Valley Herb Farm
https://www.hopvalleyherbs.com.au/
Books Mentioned in this Episode
The Business of Botanicals
Ann Armbrecht
Growing At Risk Medicinal Herbs
Richo Cech
RITUAL HERBALISM COURSE - Botanical Education
Commencing September 2026
https://www.botanicaleducation.com.au/ritual-herbalism
A Seasonal Exploration of Ancestry, Ecology & Ritual through a Botanical Lens.
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** TAJ SCICLUNA / BOTANICAL EDUCATION OFFERINGS**
Taj Scicluna is a Botanical Educator, Bioregional Herbalistand Awe Seeker.
Rekindling Herbal Enchantment whilst Honouring the Science.
Discover her offerings here:
http://www.botanicaleducation.com.au
www.instagram.com/botanical_eduation
http://www.facebook.com/botanicaleducation
http://www.tiktok.com/botanicaleducation
Linda Bates is a fourth generation herbalist who trained in 19 schools around England and the Mediterranean. She was in clinical practice for 4 decades and is a truly inspirational herbal elder in Australia. I met Linda about 12 years ago, at Pindari farm in Tasmania at a week-long medicine making intensive which was taught by her and Sandra Parker (who I interviewed in episode 17). They were carrying on Ken Atherton's legacy.
This episode is my first re-release and I do so for sad reasons. less that a year after I interviewed Linda, she passed away in October 2024.
I was (as many were) devastated when she passed away in. We had exciting plans together- she was going to develop programs for interns at The Elder Tree school, to train them in the deeper, shamanic elements of being a herbal practitioner. In the deeper work required to be a true space holder and healer. She was going to help teach this program and I mourn still that this never came to be.
But I am grateful that her knowledge lives on through her students and through this beautiful book that was published after she passed. When I interviewed her in late 2023, she was excited about this upcoming book. I love that the cover of this book has the same concept as The Elder Tree logo.... the plant medicine coming from the people to the people. I think a lot about legacy.... about succession... about impact. Linda's passing has me more determined than ever to facilitate preservation of knowledge from our elders, to facilitate spaces of recollection and reclamation of our own innate wisdom, and to provide spaces where healing and education meet.
I hope that you enjoy this wonderful interview, and may it be a reminder to listen to your elders and preserve their wisdom while they are still with us.
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You can purchase Linda's book "The Medicine Woman" here.
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In this episode, I speak with journalist John O’Connor about his book A Short Strange Trip and Terence McKenna’s influence on the psychedelic movement. We explore McKenna’s ideas, the “stoned ape” theory, and the tension between psychedelic mysticism and modern medicalized use.John also shares a deeply personal perspective on psychedelic therapy through his father’s experience with ketamine and psilocybin, opening up a thoughtful conversation about expectation, complexity, and harm reduction. We discuss the cultural meaning of psychedelics, their connection to grief and death, and why nuanced public debate matters now more than ever.It’s a wide-ranging conversation about psychedelics, journalism, history, and the stories we tell about healing.
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In this short reflection episode, Tonielle Christensen shares an update from her season of motherhood, healing and slowing down, while highlighting three powerful Permaculture Herbalism conversations from The Elder Tree Podcast archive.
Exploring themes of local food security, regenerative agriculture, agroforestry, native plant restoration and the wisdom of permaculture, Tonielle invites listeners to revisit these inspiring conversations and reflect on how we can build more resilient homes, communities and ecosystems.
Featured episodes:
Episode 122 — Local Food Security & Supporting Farmers for Resilience with Angela Nasson - click to listen
A conversation about strengthening local food systems, supporting farmers and creating community resilience through accessible, locally grown produce. Angela shares her journey with Tablelands to Tabletop and the importance of investing in regional food security.
Episode 130 — Restoring Nature with Native Plants & Agroforestry in the Daintree with Liana Toth - click to listen
An inspiring exploration of rainforest restoration, native plants, regenerative food systems and the role of agroforestry in healing damaged landscapes.
Episode 153 — Patterns in Nature, Patterns in Practice: A Permaculture Herbal Conversation with Tonielle Christensen - click to listen
A reflective conversation exploring permaculture principles, nature’s patterns and how we can integrate these teachings into everyday life, gardens and communities.
As Tonielle shares, even in seasons where our capacity changes, permaculture continues — through small acts of growing, composting, nurturing plants and reconnecting with the natural world.
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Naturopath and medicine-maker Claire Murray joins Cat for aconversation that ranges from the constituents of a herb, all the way to the heart of why we make medicine at all. There's gems for home herbalists and practitioners alike as they explore:
You’ll love this warm-hearted convo, filled withpractical wisdom and the type of real-world experience you won’t hear anywhere else.
Claire Murray is a naturopath, intuitive, health educator andmedicine maker with 17 years of experience within the health and wellness industry. She supports her community through her 1:1 intuitive & naturopathic offerings, providing workshops on medicine making skills, and with her small-batch, hand made herbal remedies from her apothecary, Spirit Botanica.
Her views on wellness and healing are informed and shapedby her own lived experience with chronic illness, gifting her a nuanced perspective on what it truly means to pursue health and wellbeing. Through her practice, teaching, and writing, Claire invites practitioners and patients alike to explore more a grounded and inclusive approach to wellness, one that honours complexity, and the seasonal, cyclical, and dynamic nature of lifeand health.
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