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Ben and Mark begin the Ncuti Gatwa era proper with a discussion all about Space Babies. Was it really the best story to launch a big, bold, new global era on Disney+ or was it just same old, same old?

And by way of contrast, they then turn to The Leisure Hive, the first story of the JN-T era and a bold new vision for Doctor Who. Or was it?

Also: How did having an actual baby affect Ben's first viewing of Space Babies? Is it wise to blow the Disney money on a bunch of pram pushers in green morph suits? And why do the Foamasi give the most unsettling lap dances you've ever seen?

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