In this episode, we chat with Jamie Gerlach CEO of 4 CTL as we unpack what real transformation looks like in schools and why primary and high school teachers of PDHPE are uniquely placed to lead it. We explore how learning shifts when teachers focus on agency, connection and the 4Cs creativity, critical reflection, communication and collaboration.

Jamie highlights the importance of teaching beyond the PDHPE content; it's a powerful space for shaping identity, wellbeing and human connection. Even within tight systems, teachers can act as change agents through small, intentional practices that reimagine what PDHPE learning can be. Listen now: https://www.thelearnnet.com/158 Explore 4CTL work here: https://www.4ctransformativelearning.org/ Become a member and enjoy exclusive benefits: https://www.thelearnnet.com/memberships Connect with Jamie Gerlach on LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/jamie-gerlach-3b49a120b Learn more about 4C Transformative Learning: https://www.linkedin.com/company/4c-transformative-learning/