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Simon and Lee start with yet more cocktail talk and then discuss their respective Christmases. They then talk about the difference between making art and play and marriage as a long-form improvisation, and PSA tests. 

Some other details from the episode: A bit about the grey wet weather in the UK; not drinking cocktails in Lisbon; what makes a cocktail a cocktail (three or more ingredients); a Negroni; Ginjinha from a chocolate cup; Aguardiente; how to pronounce modicum; cacio e pepe; Simon's cheese bread; the artisan bread world; slow cooked meat; Riverford Farm (Devon); walking in the rain; having Christmas dinner out (with a set menu); roast baby goat; being taken on a tour of the wine cellar; Bob's "Please Leave Quietly" non-website; Bob's "You can go now" cards; business cards that say "Please stop talking"; PSA tests and prostate biopsies; and erectile dysfunction. 

PS Lee's sound is a little poppy because he was recording while lying in bed a little poorly. You'll hear it perfectly when he says the word, "pop".

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Related links (and necessary corrections):

• Ginjinha portuguese liquer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginjinha
• Aguardiente https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aguardiente

Get in touch with Lee and Simon at [email protected].

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