Brad and I catch up on the very little photogarphy we’ve done the past week and Ray shares a story chasing Pika that resulted in something unexpected. Then we answer a listener submitted topic from birdsbyjing on Instagram - Hey Ray, do you have any episodes about how you decided to get into photography full time, even before wildlife? I've been thinking about "passion" careers vs. "traditional" careers and have always been curious how people get into the former, as someone who almost followed that path - I studied classical music composition in college but started my career in software.