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Original title: Dealing with Doubt
In this episode, Brendon and Skyler discuss the fourteenth lesson in the LDS Come, Follow Me sunday school manual. This week (Mar. 27-Apr. 2) covers Matthew 14, Mark 6, and John 5-6 - and is titled "Be Not Afraid".
We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors!
Note the difference: The LDS seminary manual asks: "How can focusing on your faith in Jesus Christ and His power and love for you during difficult situations help you?"; Focus on your faith.
Compare that with the simple sentence out of V. Poythress' book (cited below) commenting on the same NT passage: "Faith here was not faith in faith, but faith in Jesus...[and] Faith in Jesus needs to be generated by who Jesus is." (p.185) Or Machen (cited below) stating, similarly: "think not about your faith, but about the Person who is the object of your faith."
LDS Sources:
Lucifer; JST John 6; J. Smith quote in the manual; "self-reliance"; LDS hermeneutics (exegesis or eisegesis?); D&C 131
John 6 (here and here; notice the equation of following Jesus and being a member of the LDS church, or believing Jesus' teachings and questioning the policies and doctrines of the LDS church)
Jesus Christ Chosen as Savior
Diagram, from the current year - 2023, for explaining the LDS "virgin birth" is on this page
New Testament Made Easier by David Ridges
The Power of the Priesthood (Boyd K. Packer)
The Living Bread (D. Todd Christofferson)
Stay in the Boat and Hold On! (M. Russell Ballard)
To Whom Shall We Go? (M. Russell Ballard)
Brad Wilcox Fireside
The Constitution: A Heavenly Banner (Ezra Taft Benson)
The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil by H. Verlan Andersen
King Follett Discourse (KD) and Sermon in the Grove (Joseph Smith)
E.g., from KD: "'I do the things I saw my Father do before worlds came rolling into existence. I saw my Father work out his kingdom with fear and trembling and I must do the same. [Then] I shall give my kingdom to the Father so that he obtains kingdom rolling upon kingdom,' so that Jesus treads the tracks as he had gone before...What did Jesus Christ do? 'The same thing as I saw the Father do.' Saw the Father do what? 'Work out a kingdom. When I do so, too, I will give [it] to the Father, which will add to his glory. He will take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place and be also exalted."
The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith ed. by Joseph Fielding Smith; The Words of Joseph Smith ed. by Andrew Ehat and Lyndon Cook; Joseph Smith's Commentary on the Bible ed. by Kent Jackson
Brigham Young: JD 1: 46-53 ; JD 4:218; JD 8:206-207; JD 10:5; JD 11:268; JD 18:260
"[I]t is most significant that in the Hebrew language the word for man is Adam, hence in the some-odd 84 passages in the gospels when Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man, it can be taken quite literally as a claim on Jesus' part that he was the son of Adam." (Teachings of President Brigham Young, 3:327)
Heber C. Kimball: JD 1:355-357; JD 3:108; JD 4:329
The Mormon Hierarchy: Wealth and Corporate Power by D. Michael Quinn (also here)
Resources:
Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner (also here)
The Mound Builder Myth: Fake History and the Hunt for a "Lost White Race" by Jason Colavito
The Vanishing Lamanites (Jason Wallace; also here)
Approaching the Book of Mormon (Bill McKeever)
The Secret Mormon Meetings of 1922
Christianity at the Crossroads; The Question of Canon; Canon Revisited by Michael J. Kruger (also here and here)
Christianity and Liberalism; The Person of Jesus; and What is Faith? by J. Gresham Machen
Christless Christianity by Michael Horton (also here and here)
Confessions by St. Augustine
None Greater by Matthew Barrett
James White on John 6
Biblical Words and Their Meaning by Moises Silva
Exegetical Fallacies by D.A. Carson
Jesus and His World by Craig Evans
Jesus and the Eyewitnesses by Richard Bauckham
Evidence for the Bible (Mike Winger)
The Modern Search for the Real Jesus by Robert Strimple
The Gospel Code by Ben Witherington III
Divine Government: God's Kingship in the Gospel of Mark by R.T. France
The Coming of the Kingdom by Herman Ridderbos
The Miracles of Jesus by Vern Poythress
Can You Believe It's True? by John S. Feinberg
Was the Burning in Your Bosom From God? (Jason Wallace)
Christian Apologetics; The Defense of the Faith; Christian Theistic Evidences by Cornelius Van Til
Greg Bahnsen debate (also here, and here)
R.C. Sproul's Blueprint for Thinking (also here)
The Last Superstition; Five Proofs by Ed Feser (also here and here)
Redeeming Philosophy; Logic: A God-centered Approach by Vern Poythress (also here)
The Atheist Illusion (Jason Wallace)
The Territories of Science and Religion; Science Without God? Rethinking the History of Scientific Naturalism; The Fall of Man and the Foundations of Science by Peter Harrison
The Savior of Science; The Origin of Science and the Science of Its Origin by Stanley Jaki
The Victory of Reason by Rodney Stark
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization by Anthony Esolen (also here, here and here)
Return of the God Hypothesis by Stephen Meyer
David Hume by James N. Anderson
Jacques Derrida by Christopher Watkin
The Power and Message of the Cross (Alistair Begg)
Monothelitism
The disappearance of the "mushy middle"
Roman Catholic Priest as "Alter Christus"
Aurelius Clemens Prudentius
Original title: Dealing with Doubt
In this episode, Brendon and Skyler discuss the fourteenth lesson in the LDS Come, Follow Me sunday school manual. This week (Mar. 27-Apr. 2) covers Matthew 14, Mark 6, and John 5-6 - and is titled "Be Not Afraid".
We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors!
Note the difference: The LDS seminary manual asks: "How can focusing on your faith in Jesus Christ and His power and love for you during difficult situations help you?"; Focus on your faith.
Compare that with the simple sentence out of V. Poythress' book (cited below) commenting on the same NT passage: "Faith here was not faith in faith, but faith in Jesus...[and] Faith in Jesus needs to be generated by who Jesus is." (p.185) Or Machen (cited below) stating, similarly: "think not about your faith, but about the Person who is the object of your faith."
LDS Sources:
Lucifer; JST John 6; J. Smith quote in the manual; "self-reliance"; LDS hermeneutics (exegesis or eisegesis?); D&C 131
John 6 (here and here; notice the equation of following Jesus and being a member of the LDS church, or believing Jesus' teachings and questioning the policies and doctrines of the LDS church)
Jesus Christ Chosen as Savior
Diagram, from the current year - 2023, for explaining the LDS "virgin birth" is on this page
New Testament Made Easier by David Ridges
The Power of the Priesthood (Boyd K. Packer)
The Living Bread (D. Todd Christofferson)
Stay in the Boat and Hold On! (M. Russell Ballard)
To Whom Shall We Go? (M. Russell Ballard)
Brad Wilcox Fireside
The Constitution: A Heavenly Banner (Ezra Taft Benson)
The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil by H. Verlan Andersen
King Follett Discourse (KD) and Sermon in the Grove (Joseph Smith)
E.g., from KD: "'I do the things I saw my Father do before worlds came rolling into existence. I saw my Father work out his kingdom with fear and trembling and I must do the same. [Then] I shall give my kingdom to the Father so that he obtains kingdom rolling upon kingdom,' so that Jesus treads the tracks as he had gone before...What did Jesus Christ do? 'The same thing as I saw the Father do.' Saw the Father do what? 'Work out a kingdom. When I do so, too, I will give [it] to the Father, which will add to his glory. He will take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place and be also exalted."
The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith ed. by Joseph Fielding Smith; The Words of Joseph Smith ed. by Andrew Ehat and Lyndon Cook; Joseph Smith's Commentary on the Bible ed. by Kent Jackson
Brigham Young: JD 1: 46-53 ; JD 4:218; JD 8:206-207; JD 10:5; JD 11:268; JD 18:260
"[I]t is most significant that in the Hebrew language the word for man is Adam, hence in the some-odd 84 passages in the gospels when Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man, it can be taken quite literally as a claim on Jesus' part that he was the son of Adam." (Teachings of President Brigham Young, 3:327)
Heber C. Kimball: JD 1:355-357; JD 3:108; JD 4:329
The Mormon Hierarchy: Wealth and Corporate Power by D. Michael Quinn (also here)
Resources:
Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner (also here)
The Mound Builder Myth: Fake History and the Hunt for a "Lost White Race" by Jason Colavito
The Vanishing Lamanites (Jason Wallace; also here)
Approaching the Book of Mormon (Bill McKeever)
The Secret Mormon Meetings of 1922
Christianity at the Crossroads; The Question of Canon; Canon Revisited by Michael J. Kruger (also here and here)
Christianity and Liberalism; The Person of Jesus; and What is Faith? by J. Gresham Machen
Christless Christianity by Michael Horton (also here and here)
Confessions by St. Augustine
None Greater by Matthew Barrett
James White on John 6
Biblical Words and Their Meaning by Moises Silva
Exegetical Fallacies by D.A. Carson
Jesus and His World by Craig Evans
Jesus and the Eyewitnesses by Richard Bauckham
Evidence for the Bible (Mike Winger)
The Modern Search for the Real Jesus by Robert Strimple
The Gospel Code by Ben Witherington III
Divine Government: God's Kingship in the Gospel of Mark by R.T. France
The Coming of the Kingdom by Herman Ridderbos
The Miracles of Jesus by Vern Poythress
Can You Believe It's True? by John S. Feinberg
Was the Burning in Your Bosom From God? (Jason Wallace)
Christian Apologetics; The Defense of the Faith; Christian Theistic Evidences by Cornelius Van Til
Greg Bahnsen debate (also here, and here)
R.C. Sproul's Blueprint for Thinking (also here)
The Last Superstition; Five Proofs by Ed Feser (also here and here)
Redeeming Philosophy; Logic: A God-centered Approach by Vern Poythress (also here)
The Atheist Illusion (Jason Wallace)
The Territories of Science and Religion; Science Without God? Rethinking the History of Scientific Naturalism; The Fall of Man and the Foundations of Science by Peter Harrison
The Savior of Science; The Origin of Science and the Science of Its Origin by Stanley Jaki
The Victory of Reason by Rodney Stark
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization by Anthony Esolen (also here, here and here)
Return of the God Hypothesis by Stephen Meyer
David Hume by James N. Anderson
Jacques Derrida by Christopher Watkin
The Power and Message of the Cross (Alistair Begg)
Monothelitism
The disappearance of the "mushy middle"
Roman Catholic Priest as "Alter Christus"
Aurelius Clemens Prudentius