Debra Clem, counselor, speaker, and writer,  discusses the vital topic of forgiveness after divorce. Debra shares her personal journey through profound losses and a long-term marriage ending, illustrating the critical role forgiveness plays in personal healing. She emphasizes that forgiving an ex-spouse — or anyone who has caused harm — is not about excusing their actions, but about liberating oneself from the weight of resentment. Through heartfelt anecdotes, Debra uncovers how carrying unforgiveness can affect not only the individual but also their loved ones, and explains why it often requires both time and spiritual guidance to truly move forward.

The conversation explores practical steps for reaching forgiveness, including prayer, support from trusted individuals, and honest self-reflection. Debra also touches on the complexities of repeated hurts and the necessity of setting boundaries when harmful behaviors persist. She and Shari address the misconception that forgiveness means staying in a damaging relationship, clarifying that it is possible — and sometimes necessary — to forgive and still walk away. Finally, Debra offers insights into re-entering the dating world later in life and stresses the importance of healing before forming new relationships.