Time to go deep! Travis and special guest Derek Webster go deep discussing life, relationships, postmodernism, church planting in Europe, fame, celebrity culture, and they top it off with a discussion of Derek's new book coming out on January 26th, Your Mess, God's Masterpiece.

We talk about Joseph and his life and how no one is beyond God's redemption. If God can transform the messed up family relationships in Joseph's life, he can transform the messed up relationships in yours as well.

You can order your copy of Derek's book on Amazon. Follow Derek online and check out his site wenwyn.com and his church Grace Pointe.

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