Dr. Christopher J.H. Wright joins Travis to discuss the release of the second edition of his magisterial, "The Mission of God." They explore the evolving understanding of God's mission as articulated through Scripture, emphasising that it extends far beyond the confines of traditional evangelism to encompass a holistic vision for justice, mercy, and redemption within the world.

Dr. Wright articulates a comprehensive understanding of the Great Commission, showing that it calls believers to a life of obedience that encompasses all dimensions of existence—spiritual, social, and ethical. This missioholistic approach to discipleship is emphasized throughout the conversation, where Dr. Wright challenges the notion that mission is solely about conversion, insisting that it also involves the transformation of life and society in accordance with Kingdom values.

Dr. Wright's addresses previous critiques and expands upon the missional hermeneutics that have emerged since the book's first publication. Dr. Wright's insights reveal the necessity of understanding the continuity of God's redemptive plan, which includes both Israel and the Church in a dynamic relationship rather than a replacement theology. This profound realization invites listeners to reconsider their own engagement in mission, urging them to reflect on how their lives can align with God's overarching narrative of redemption and restoration in a broken world.

Takeaways:

• In the realm of discipleship, it is imperative to align our actions with our beliefs, as articulated by both Jesus and the Apostle Paul.
• The gospel, while freely given by God's grace, demands a life of obedience and submission to Jesus as Lord over every aspect of life.
• The mission of God encompasses the entire narrative of Scripture, revealing a purpose that extends beyond mere evangelism to the reconciliation of all creation.
• Understanding the mission of God requires a holistic approach, integrating both faith and works, as seen in the teachings of Jesus and the writings of Paul.
• The second edition of 'The Mission of God' addresses critiques from the first edition, clarifying the role of Israel and emphasizing the inclusive nature of God's redemptive plan.
• Holistic mission reflects the character of God, where our actions demonstrate the truth of the gospel, leading others to inquire about the God we serve.

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In today's conversation, Fleming and Bartholomew address the pressing issues facing ministry leaders today, particularly the challenge of navigating a fast-paced cultural landscape that often leaves little room for deep reflection and spiritual formation. Bartholomew draws from his extensive academic background to illustrate how theological education can inform and enrich pastoral practices, while also critiquing the tendency to separate academic inquiry from the lived experience of faith. He shares insights on the importance of cultivating a biblically informed worldview that empowers believers to engage critically with societal issues such as economics and cultural identity.

Their discussion encourages listeners to embrace a more integrated understanding of theology that is not merely theoretical but is deeply rooted in the realities of human experience. Pastoral leaders are urged to reflect on their own spiritual journeys, recognizing that true ministry flows from a place of authenticity, humility, and a commitment to embodying the Gospel in all facets of life.

Takeaways:

• The conversation emphasizes the necessity of integrating academic rigor with theological practice in the church.
• Travis and Craig explore the implications of a holistic view of Christ that informs every aspect of life, including economics.
• They discuss the importance of patience and slow spiritual formation in a culture that prioritizes immediacy and instant results.
• The speakers highlight the disconnect between academia and the church, advocating for a collaborative approach to theology and ministry.
• Craig stresses the significance of understanding biblical narratives as foundational to shaping a coherent theological expression.
• The episode elucidates the challenges faced by pastors in modern ministry and the need for a reflective and intentional practice of faith.

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The conversation between Travis and David W. Smith uncovers the often-unspoken yet pervasive power of money—specifically Mammon—in ministry today. Together, they probe how Mammon functions not just as personal greed but as a system, an idolatrous force that flattens spiritual formation and distorts churches as they drift toward a market-shaped theology.

Smith traces the historical and theological roots of Mammon, arguing that its influence extends far beyond personal finances and into the very structures of our lives. He warns church leaders of its subtle seduction and calls for communities shaped by loyalty to God rather than the lure of material success. Throughout their dialogue, Travis and Smith emphasize the need for a deeper, more holistic vision of discipleship—one that resists consumerism, challenges cultural assumptions, and re-centers the gospel as the true measure of flourishing. Their exchange urges listeners to engage Scripture and culture with fresh eyes, embracing a countercultural faith that confronts the creeping idolatry of wealth.

Takeaways

• Travis Michael Fleming and David W. Smith explore what it truly means to choose between God and Mammon, revealing how wealth and materialism quietly shape spiritual life and ministry.
• Smith emphasizes that the worship of Mammon is not simply about money—it reflects a wider cultural idolatry that reshapes Christian values, priorities, and commitments.
• Listeners are invited to examine their own financial choices and ask whether their lives reflect service to God or obedience to Mammon’s demands.
• The discussion highlights the need for Christians to recognize the socio-economic systems that subtly mold their worldview and ministry effectiveness—and to critique how those systems influence their faith.
• Smith shows how Mammon’s growing power has seeped into church practices, bending them away from the gospel and resulting in a weakened, compromised discipleship.
• Ultimately, the conversation reminds the Church that resisting materialism opens the door to rediscovering the true demands of the gospel and cultivating a more authentic, faithful community.

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Travis Michael Fleming sits down with Dr. Timothy Tennent for a powerful and eye-opening conversation about one of the most influential—and most overlooked—groups in America today: Indian Hindus.

They’re not tucked away on the margins. They’re shaping our culture in boardrooms and in Hollywood, in politics and in tech. From Kash Patel to Vivek Ramaswamy, Mindy Kaling to Kal Penn, Indian Hindus are woven into the fabric of American life. Some practice their faith devoutly; others carry it as part of their cultural story. But their presence—and their influence—is everywhere.

Hinduism isn’t a far-off religion confined to India. It shows up in our neighborhoods, our workplaces, and even our rhythms—through yoga studios, meditation trends, and the growing Indian diaspora that now calls America home.

With grace and clarity, Dr. Tennent helps us rethink how we view and love our Hindu neighbors. He invites us to move past stereotypes and recognize the incredible diversity, beauty, and complexity found within Hindu communities.

Together, we explore Hinduism’s deep history, the range of beliefs held by those who identify as Hindu, and the real challenges Western Christians face when trying to share the hope of the gospel across cultural lines. More importantly, we talk about the kind of relationships that open doors—relationships rooted in humility, hospitality, and genuine friendship.

This conversation isn’t just informative—it’s a call to action for the church. God has brought the nations to our doorsteps. Are we ready to meet them with Christlike love?

• Hinduism has become a significant presence in American life, shaping culture in ways many Christians haven’t yet noticed.
• Travis and Dr. Tennent expose common Western misunderstandings about Hinduism and invite listeners into a fuller, more compassionate perspective.
• Listeners are encouraged to slow down, listen well, and build meaningful relationships with their Hindu neighbors.
• Faithful witness means learning to communicate the gospel in ways that connect with Hindu worldviews and cultural experiences.
• Many Hindus in the U.S. have not been exposed to Christianity’s long, rich history in India—something that can reshape conversations about faith.
• Understanding issues like caste can help Christians love and disciple their Hindu friends with deeper wisdom and sensitivity.

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In this episode, we dig into the significant impact Robert Schuller had on American Christianity, particularly in congregational life and the church growth movement. Schuller was a controversial figure whose legacy continues to quietly shape how pastors lead—often without them even realizing it.

Joining me are Gerardo Marti and Mark T. Mulder, who unpack Schuller’s philosophy and show how his entrepreneurial approach reshaped American Christianity—and the way ministry was done and measured. As we trace his life and career, we uncover the tension between innovation and the challenges it created for ministry leaders.

At the same time, this episode doesn’t shy away from the hard questions. We examine the idolatries embedded in his approach—the elevation of growth, charisma, and performance—and the unintended consequences that continue to ripple through the church today. It’s an invitation for leaders to celebrate what was done well, but also to wrestle with the ways these patterns have shaped our culture and ministries, asking: How do we lead faithfully in the midst of these legacies?

Key Takeaways:

• Robert Schuller played a formative role in shaping contemporary American congregational life, influencing both growth strategies and worship practices.
• Many pastors today remain unaware of his contributions, highlighting a gap in historical understanding.
• His entrepreneurial approach to church growth left a lasting imprint on modern ministry practices.
• Schuller’s methods illustrate the ongoing tension between innovation and tradition in church leadership.
• His story demonstrates the complexities of ministry, combining charisma, resources, and community in distinctive ways.
• Schuller’s legacy serves as both a cautionary tale and a guide for church leaders navigating cultural change.

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Mike Goheen is back! In this episode, Travis sits down with Dr. Mike Goheen to discuss his new book, The Core of the Christian Faith: Living the Gospel for the Sake of the World. Together, they explore the urgent need for the church to broaden its understanding of the Gospel beyond individual salvation, highlighting its profound implications for communal life and cultural engagement. Dr. Goheen presents a vision for discipleship rooted in the full scope of the biblical narrative, showing how a narrow, reductionist view of the Gospel has left the church ill-prepared to confront the idols of contemporary culture. He makes a compelling case that a holistic grasp of the Gospel is essential for the church to faithfully embody its mission.

Throughout the conversation, Dr. Goheen critiques traditional approaches to discipleship that focus primarily on personal piety while neglecting the cultural and social dimensions of faith. He challenges the church to reimagine itself as a missional community—actively engaging the world to demonstrate the transformative power of the Gospel. Listeners are invited to reflect on their own faith journeys and consider how they can contribute to a more robust, culturally engaged expression of Christianity. Dr. Goheen’s insights confront the idols of our age and call for a renewed commitment to the Gospel’s expansive vision, which encompasses all of creation.

Travis and Dr. Goheen also explore practical strategies for ministry leaders and believers to deepen their understanding of faith within their cultural context. He emphasizes the importance of cross-cultural dialogue and learning from the global church to uncover blind spots in Western Christianity. This episode is an invitation to rethink discipleship, community engagement, and cultural apologetics—fostering a faith that is not only personally transformative but socially relevant and profoundly impactful-one that is missioholistic in nature.

Takeaways:

• The church has not been adequately discipled, leading to a distorted understanding of the gospel.
• Discipleship should encompass a broader view, engaging with cultural influences and idolatry.
• Understanding the biblical story is essential for reshaping discipleship and church life effectively.
• The core of the Christian faith is found in Jesus Christ, contextualized within the grand narrative of scripture.
• Recovering the gospel's breadth involves recognizing and confronting cultural idolatry in contemporary society.
• The church's mission is to embody the new humanity, reflecting God's kingdom in a fractured world.

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Today's conversation is about the modern need for integrating catechism into the discipleship process, particularly in light of the cultural pressures that seek to dilute the essence of the Christian faith. Travis Michael Fleming is joined by Trevin Wax and Thomas West to discuss their new book, The Gospel Way Catechism, as a fresh approach to an ancient practice, aiming to provide believers with a new and relevant framework for understanding their identity in Christ.

They emphasize the necessity of countering the dominant narratives of contemporary society with the transformative truths of the gospel. Through their discussion, they advocate for a holistic approach to catechism that not only imparts knowledge but also fosters a deeper relationship with God. This conversation is a call to action for church leaders and laypersons alike to embrace catechism as a means of spiritual formation, encouraging a return to the core principles of Christianity that can guide and sustain believers in an increasingly complex world.

Takeaways:

• The Gospel Way Catechism serves as an accessible tool for discipleship, aiming to ground believers in fundamental Christian doctrines amidst contemporary cultural challenges.
• Catechism, often perceived as antiquated, is in fact a vital means of instruction, promoting understanding of the gospel story over prevailing cultural narratives.
• The authors emphasize the importance of counter catechesis, which critically engages and challenges cultural ideologies that conflict with biblical teachings.
• A significant objective of the Gospel Way Catechism is to encourage Christians to live out their faith distinctly, embodying a lifestyle that reflects the transformative power of the gospel.
• The catechism is structured to address contemporary anthropological questions, providing clarity on identity, purpose, and the Christian worldview in a secular age.
• The authors posit that effective catechism develops both knowledge and a culture within the church that resists secular influences and promotes gospel-centered living.

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Travis Michael Fleming and Kyle Strobel engage in an enlightening and fun conversation on prayer, delving into its complexities and the common misconceptions that often hinder genuine spiritual connection.

Their conversation confronts the barriers that individuals face in their prayer lives, such as feelings of inadequacy and the tendency to approach God with a façade of performance rather than authenticity.

Kyle emphasizes that prayer should not be viewed as a chore or a checklist item, but as a vital means of fostering a relationship with God, wherein one can present their true self, including doubts and struggles.

Their conversation emphasizes the significance of honesty in prayer, encouraging ministry leaders to embrace their vulnerabilities and acknowledge their need for divine grace. Through the conversation, Kyle and Travis aim to inspire a reimagining of prayer as a deeply personal and transformative practice, urging ministry leaders to cultivate a prayer life that reflects both sincerity and a genuine desire for connection with God.

Takeaways:

• Prayer is fundamentally about presence rather than performance, allowing us to bring our authentic selves to God.
• The disorientation many experience in prayer often stems from an overemphasis on theological knowledge at the expense of a genuine relationship with God.
• Honesty in prayer can reveal our deepest struggles and desires, ultimately leading us closer to God's transformative love.
• Our spiritual practices should encourage us to draw near to God, acknowledging our need for His mercy rather than relying on our perceived goodness.
• Feeling distant from God can often be a part of the spiritual journey, as He uses these moments to invite us into deeper communion with Him.
• To truly engage in prayer, we must confront our inner conflicts and bring them before God, allowing Him to work through our vulnerabilities.

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Travis Michael Fleming and Dr. Christian Smith continue their conversation on Dr. Smith's latest book, Why Religion Went Obsolete.

They discuss how the decline of American traditional religion (i.e. Christianity) is not attributable to a singular cause but rather a confluence of multifaceted cultural, social, and technological transformations that collectively create a "converging perfect storm."

Throughout their conversation, they explore the historical context of these changes, elucidating how shifts in family dynamics, the rise of neoliberal capitalism, and the impact of digital technology have redefined the religious landscape.

They then discuss how the implications of these transformations affect pastors and ministry leaders today, urging them to do a thorough examination of how some of the more recent ministry methods inherited from Boomer church leaders and approaches may no longer work, but rather how a missioholistic one might.

Their conversation is a call for thoughtful engagement with these pressing issues, inviting listeners to reflect critically on the future of faith in an increasingly complex world.

Takeaways:

• The discussion emphasizes that the decline of traditional religion is not solely due to secularization but is influenced by various cultural shifts and technological changes over time.
• Christianity's adaptation to modernity has led to a narrow understanding of its teachings, reducing religion to moralistic and therapeutic ideals rather than a comprehensive worldview.
• The rise of neoliberal capitalism has fostered an environment that promotes individualism and competitiveness, which contradicts the communal and stable aspects traditionally associated with religious practice.
• Multiculturalism has introduced complexities to religious discourse, leading to a perception that all beliefs are equally valid, which can undermine the conviction necessary for religious adherence.
• The podcast highlights generational shifts, indicating that younger generations are less likely to engage in traditional religious practices due to societal changes in family structures and mobility.
• In light of these cultural changes, it is crucial for pastors and ministry leaders to engage thoughtfully with their communities and adapt their approaches to remain relevant and impactful.

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In an insightful and thought-provoking dialogue, Travis Michael Fleming and Dr. Christian Smith tackle the contentious issue of why traditional religion appears to be losing its grip on American society. Drawing from Dr. Smith's extensive research, the conversation reveals a stark reality: traditional faith is not only declining but has become culturally obsolete.

The discussion frames this obsolescence within the context of significant cultural transformations that have rendered conventional religious practices less relevant to contemporary life. Dr. Smith articulates the difference between mere statistical decline and the broader cultural implications of obsolescence, arguing that the perceptions surrounding traditional religion have shifted dramatically. He outlines the rise of alternative spiritualities and the increasing preference for individualized, non-institutional forms of belief. This episode encourages ministry leaders to engage with these cultural dynamics critically, challenging them to find new pathways for relevance and connection in an ever-evolving spiritual landscape. It serves as a crucial reminder that understanding the cultural zeitgeist is essential for effective ministry in the modern context.

Takeaways:

• Dr. Christian Smith's research reveals that traditional religion in America is not only declining but has become culturally obsolete, reflecting a significant shift in societal values and priorities.
• The discussion highlights that the cultural obsolescence of traditional faith is not merely a decline in attendance, but a broader change in how religion is perceived and practiced in society today.
• Politics has emerged as a response to a perceived loss of cultural influence, indicating that current Christian nationalist movements may reflect desperation rather than strength in religious adherence.
• The podcast emphasizes the necessity for ministry leaders to adapt their approaches to effectively engage with contemporary cultural dynamics and the spiritual needs of younger generations.
• Dr. Smith's findings suggest that the traditional religious narrative struggles to resonate with today's youth, necessitating a reevaluation of ministry methods and outreach strategies.
• The episode underscores the importance of understanding cultural shifts and their implications for the future of ministry, advocating for deeper engagement and transformation within communities.

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