In this episode, Sam Moss talks with Dan Sanchez on the B2B Growth podcast about the difference between brand, branding, and what it takes to see success.

Sam takes the position that branding includes creating the logo, website, colors, and swag. Dan takes the position that branding is identifying beliefs that make you weird, messaging, rituals, a villain, and a leader. Listen to them talk it through, share their truths, and unpack the fuzzy topic that is branding.