In this episode, Bernie and Lisa chat with Craig Pfunder, musician, producer, and musical director for Jake Shears. Craig shares his journey, from being adopted and growing up in an interracial family in Georgia, to discovering his passion for music. He reflects on his early influences, the evolution of VHS or Beta, and some of the challenges he faced navigating the music industry. They discuss the band’s upcoming 20th anniversary show, memorable tour experiences, and Craig’s transition into musical direction. He also talks about his relationship with music and how he balances creativity with the realities of the business. 

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