In this episode Trevor speaks with lawyer, researcher, and lecturer Vincent Denault, about the use of non-verbal cues in deception detection and credibility assessments in Canada’s Criminal Justice System. Topics discussed include the use of science in court rooms, the dangers of pseudo science, the relationship between science and the law, the importance of non-verbal cues and behaviour in effective communication, the problem of applying research from investigative interviews to court room testimony, the difference between veracity and credibility, and the importance of collaboration and open-mindedness in improving our justice system.