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  • Why Sustainable Merch Matters: Beyond the Summit

    This week on the 2 Regular Guys Podcast, we’re joined by Jay Busselle from the Branded Merch Network and Theresa Hegel from ASI to discuss a topic that deserves more attention across the industry—sustainability. We’ll explore why so many leaders in our space are dedicating serious time and energy to creating sustainable solutions and how these efforts go far beyond a single event. Along the way, we’ll highlight the upcoming Why It Matters: Sustainable Merch Summit and what attendees can expect from this free, virtual experience. Whether you’re a solo decorator or running a large production shop, this conversation is packed with insight into why sustainable merch isn’t just a trend, it’s a necessary shift for the future of our industry.

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    Dad Joke

    Aaron: Terry, I know we are known for our world famous Dad jokes, but if we could refrain from any about cars please.

    Terry: Why is that?
    Aaron: Because they are exhausting.

    Sustainability

    Aaron: Welcome to the show today Jay and Theresa. You’ve both been on the show enough times that we don’t need introductions. But I want to dive right into this topic of sustainability. Sustainability is a big buzzword these days. Why is this conversation so urgent for our industry right now, Jay?

    JAY: Because we’ve run out of time to treat sustainability like a side project.

    Our industry—promo, print, apparel—is built on physical products. And that means we’re in the hot seat. We can’t ignore how things are made, the resources used to make them, where they come from, or where they end up. More buyers are demanding better answers. More brands want to align their merch with their values. And if we can’t provide answers—or worse, if our answers feel hollow—we lose relevance.

    This isn’t just about being green. It’s about building trust, staying competitive, and doing business that aligns with people, planet, and prosperity.

    Theresa and how is this playing out in the promo world?

    THERESA: I would agree with everything Jay said. I’ve been writing about sustainability in promo for the last three years (www.promofortheplanet.com) and we’re increasingly seeing suppliers step up, by publishing annual impact reports – sharing detailed data about the progress they’re making.

    There are also more options out there for sustainable products – whether it’s a tote bag with a digital product passport, detailing its sustainable supply chain, notebooks made from certified recycled materials or a reusable water bottle that helps fund ocean cleanups or has some other robust giveback element. (As part of Promo for the Planet, we have a regularly updated list called the Do-Gooders Directory, where we publish suppliers’ and distributors’ giveback programs, corporate social responsibility initiatives and sustainability certifications. … And if you’re not on it, but think you should be, reach out to me at [email protected].)

    I think we still have a long way to go as an industry – there’s definitely a lot of greenwashing happening, either intentionally or due to lack of education – but we’re heading in the right direction.  

    Terry: Before we get into the upcoming summit, can you both tell us from your vantage points, what are the biggest misconceptions decorators or promo professionals still have about sustainable practices Theresa?

    THERESA: 

    • “Sustainability just means eco-friendly”: We often break it down to the triple bottom line of people, planet and profit. The social aspects of sustainability – how we treat workers, how the community at large is affected – is just as important as whether an item is made of recycled materials. Sustainability is a much bigger tent than many people realize.
    • “You have to be perfect right away.”: Sustainability is a journey. It’s more important to be authentic and transparent about what you’re doing and where you’re still falling short than to get everything “right” at once. I think the first step really is to get a good baseline of your impact – energy usage, water usage, etc. – so that you can meaningfully track your reduction efforts.
    • “Who cares where items come from?” Traceable, transparent supply chains are important, not just for sustainability reasons, but also for business risk management. Think about big brands’ logos ending up in fast fashion dumping grounds in places like Chile or Ghana. Or apparel makers not realizing they’re using cotton sourced from forced labor. 
    • “There’s a tradeoff between sustainable items and quality.” – Historically, there’s been something that’s referred to as the “sustainability liability,” the idea that manufacturers had to make quality tradeoffs to make it more sustainable and cost-effective. But that’s definitely not the case today, especially when there are so many more product options that are durable, high-quality and also have a great sustainable or giveback story to tell.
    • Jay – How about your perspective?

      JAY

      There are a few, but here are the big ones:

      • “It’s too expensive.” Not always true. Many sustainable options are cost-competitive, especially when you consider the lifetime value of a better-quality product that gets used longer and creates better brand impressions.
      • “No one’s asking for it.” Maybe not in those exact words—but they’re asking for better. Better merch, better messaging, better sourcing. Sustainability is part of that equation, even if it’s unspoken.
      • “It’s just about the products.” Nope. Sustainability lives in your process, packaging, printing methods, supplier relationships, marketing, and it even helps attract and hire new employees.
      • We’ve got to stop thinking of sustainability as just another product on the shelf… I’ve learned that it’s not a line item, it’s a mindset. The real impact happens when it’s baked into how we source, create, print, deliver, and share the transparent story behind our merch.

        Aaron: Let’s dive into the upcoming summit we have teased a little bit, Jay, let’s start with you telling us how Why It Matters: Sustainable Merch Summit was born. Maybe it’s in the title.

        JAY: The summit’s roots go back to the Why It Matters video series—created and named by Jeff Solomon. Jeff took the lead on this project, conducting about 20 deeply honest interviews with industry leaders who don’t just talk about sustainability—they live it. Those stories sparked something bigger. 

        Together with ASI, Apparelist, 2 Regular Guys, and the Branded Merch Network, we decided to expand the reach and create a live event that could bring those voices to even more people.

        Because let’s be clear—this isn’t just a webinar. It’s a rally cry.

        We’re gathering the voices, values, and visionaries who are redefining what “sustainable” really means in the branded merch, print, and apparel industries.

        This summit is about moving past greenwashing and getting real about what works—and why it matters.

        Theresa, would you like to add to that?

        THERESA: One of the things I want to highlight is how perfectly this summit aligns with ASI’s strategic partnership with PRINTING United Alliance, where we’ve been emphasizing the growing convergence between print, promo and apparel for the last year or so. Cassie and I have been working together closely on content sharing and joining projects, including our monthly Branding Together podcast, so collaborating on a sustainability-focused summit was a no-brainer.

        Also, last year I went to the Sustainable Brands conference and one of the things they emphasized is how sustainability requires collaboration (“coopetition”) between companies to effect real change, so banding all of our organizations together to talk about this topic makes so much sense. [Also, promo, which has traditionally been such a collaborative and collegial space, should be ripe for these kinds of sustainability discussions and initiatives.]

        Terry: I don’t want to forget to mention that Cassie with the Apparelist is a major planner and contributor to this event. Cassie’s youngest son has a major presentation himself today that we could never ask her to miss.

        Theresa, talk to us about some of the subject matter we’ll be covering.

        THERESA: We have a variety of panel discussions planned with some great industry experts. The panel I’m moderating is all about “Why Transparency Matters” – how honest storytelling, clear sourcing and ethical choices build trust and business.

        Another panel – moderated by Cassie – is on “Why Certification Matters – Breaking Down the Standards.” She and her guests will be breaking down the labels, logos and language behind sustainable merch and how to use them with confidence. 

        We’ll also be talking about how “sustainability sells.” It’s a candid conversation about meeting client demand, driving revenue and doing the right thing. 

        Jay, what’s the format for the event? What should attendees expect to experience?

        JAY: The summit is a virtual, fast-paced two-hour event happening June 10 at 1 PM ET / 10 AM PT.

        It’s packed with:

        • Short, insightful keynote presentations
        • Live panel discussions with Q&A
        • Real-world case studies
        • Chat-driven interaction, Q&A, and idea-sharing
        • This isn’t a snooze-fest. It’s designed for doers—people who care about merch and meaning. You will walk away with fresh ideas, practical tools, and renewed clarity… AND hopefully 100+ new friends in a related industry who feel the same way as you do about making a difference!

          Aaron: We’ve talked about the what, but let’s talk about the who. Jay, who will be offering keynote presentations?

          JAY: We’re excited to welcome voices who bring both strategy and soul to the conversation:

          • Ryan Moor & Mel Lay – Allmade Apparel
          • Gary Bell – US Trust Cotton Protocol
          • Eric Henry – CEO of TS Designs
          • Steven Baumgaertener – CEO of Cybergroup International
          • More voices will be part of the panels, but these keynotes anchor the event with inspiration and practical direction.

            Theresa, a lot of names I recognize speaking on the panels. Who will we hear from on these discussions?

            • Ben Grossman of SwagCycle / Grossman Marketing Group
            • Brianna Mazze of SRG
            • Amy Baker of Threadbared Printhouse
            • Gary Jones: Hohenstein (OEKO-TEX)
            • Mel Lay: Allmade
            • Dom Rosacci: Superior Ink Printing
            • Robert Fiveash: Brand Fuel
            • Joseph Sommer: Whitestone
            • Michele Dando: Facilisgroup
            • Terry: We haven’t talked about this yet? Our listeners are large shops and small shops. Who is this event geared to? Who should attend? Jay?

              JAY: This summit is for anyone who touches branded merch, apparel, or print, and wants to do it better. Large shops, small shops, business owners, business leaders, distributors, decorators, suppliers, sales reps, brand marketers—if you’re wondering:

              • How to source more responsibly
              • How to talk to clients about sustainability
              • How to build a reputation for doing the right thing…
              • This is your space. No gatekeeping. No guilt. Just real people sharing what’s working.

                It’s all about collaboration and creating an opportunity for impactful conversations and sparking change. 

                Aaron: Theresa, will the attendees have an opportunity to interact and ask questions? How will that work?

                Theresa and Cassie monitoring the chat.

                Absolutely. Cassie and I plan to monitor the chat throughout the event, so we can make sure people’s questions are addressed and answered. 

                Terry: Jay, you’re our marketing and branding guy. Give us the details and make that final pitch to attend.

                JAY: If we want to change the industry, we have to change the conversation and emphasize why this matters

                The Sustainable Merch Summit isn’t just another webinar—it’s a rally cry.
                We’re bringing together the voices, values, and visionaries who are challenging the status quo and redefining what sustainable really means in the world of branded merch, print, and apparel.

                This is for the makers, the marketers, and the merch nerds who want to do better—not just say better. You’ll hear real stories, practical strategies, and no fluff. It’s fast-paced, interactive, and full of the kind of insights you can actually use.

                And look, let’s be honest—if it ends up in the trash, it wasn’t sustainable to begin with.
                The most impactful branded merch is the kind people actually want, use, and keep.

                So if you care about staying relevant, building trust, and creating merch that matters—this is where you need to be.

                It’s free. It’s virtual. It’s happening June 10. Let’s show the industry why this matters.

                Branded Merch Network – ASI – Apparelist – 2 Regular Guys 
                Why It Matters LIVE: Sustainable Merch Summit​

                Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2025
                Time: 1:00 PM ET / 10:00 AM PT
                Location: Virtual and FREE to attend. Registration is required 

                Register: https://bit.ly/4lWQNqm

                Aaron: In closing, what would you say to someone who still sees sustainability as a ‘nice-to-have’ instead of a ‘need-to-have’?

                Terry: Thanks to both of you for coming on the show today. Tell our listeners how they can reach out to each of you.

                Theresa, we’ll go to you first.

                Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theresahegel/

                Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theresa_hegel_asi/ 

                ASI’s sustainability hub: www.promofortheplanet.com

                The Secret Sauce

                We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                OTHER EVENTS
                • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-weekly Mastermind Groups with accountability, support, and a built-in support group.
                • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago June 7-8.
                • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, TBD
                • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                • Trade Shows
                  • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                    • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 30, 2025 at 2 PM
                    • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 31, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                    • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                      • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                      • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                        • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – August 1, 2025 at 2 PM
                        • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – August 2, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                        • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                        • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                        • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                        • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                        • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                          All dates and events are subject to change
                        • 1 hr 25 min
                        • Outsource to Grow: The Power of Contract Decorating and POD

                          This week on the 2 Regular Guys Podcast, we welcome Zach Dewhurst of DecoNetwork to explore one of the most powerful growth tools decorators are still underutilizing, outsourcing. Whether it’s contract decorating, wholesale trade partners, or print-on-demand fulfillment, Zach makes the case that focusing on sales instead of production could be the game-changer your business needs. We’ll break down what outsourcing really looks like in today’s market, how to find the right partners, and why it’s especially important for startups and small shops looking to scale. If you’re still trying to do it all in-house, you won’t want to miss this practical conversation packed with insights to help you grow smarter, not harder.

                          Tired of bouncing between SanMar, S&S, and alphabroder just to compare prices?

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                          News

                          If you have anything newsworthy you would like us to share, please email details to [email protected]. Use the subject line “Weekly News.”

                          Dad Joke

                          Terry: Do you know how you can tell you’re getting older?

                          When you have “upstairs Tylenol” and “downstairs Tylenol”

                          Outsourcing Production

                          Terry: Zach, rather than read a canned bio, tell us a little about yourself and how you found your way to this industry.

                          Aaron: Let’s start with the big picture—why do you believe outsourcing is such a game-changer for today’s decorators? How do you recommend finding trustworthy contract decorators or POD partners for someone just getting started?

                          Aaron: What are the most common concerns or myths you hear about outsourcing, and how do you respond to them?

                          Terry: How should decorators price their products when using a contract or POD model while still staying profitable?

                          Aaron: How can outsourcing free up more time or resources for business growth, especially in sales and marketing?

                          Aaron: What’s one piece of advice you’d give to a shop owner who’s hesitant to give up control of production but knows they’re stretched too thin?
                          Terry: Where can our listeners connect with you and learn more about the tools and resources DecoNetwork customers have access to?

                          The Secret Sauce

                          We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                          OTHER EVENTS
                          • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                          • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                          • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-weekly Mastermind Groups with accountability, support, and a built-in support group.
                          • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago June 7-8.
                          • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, TBD
                          • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                          • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                          • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                          • Trade Shows
                            • DAX Nashville Farm Bureau Expo Center, Lebanon, TN – May 9-10, 2025
                            • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                              • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 30, 2025 at 2 PM
                              • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 31, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                              • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                                • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                                • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                                  • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – August 1, 2025 at 2 PM
                                  • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – August 2, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                  • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                                  • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                                  • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                                  • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                                  • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                                    All dates and events are subject to change
                                  • 1 hr 8 min
                                  • Cut-and-Sew Success: Adding All-Over Custom Apparel

                                    This week, Aaron Montgomery goes live from the American Print and Supplies Open House. He and Terry will dive into the world of full cut-and-sew apparel decoration. Whether you’re curious about offering custom-made garments or wondering how to expand without sewing a stitch, this episode has you covered. We’ll talk about what makes cut-and-sew unique, from design and file prep to pricing and pattern considerations. Learn how to use cut-and-sew as a brand differentiator and how to market it. If you’re looking to add high-value products to your line without adding a whole new department, this show is for you.

                                    Tired of bouncing between SanMar, S&S, and alphabroder just to compare prices?

                                    PromoHunt’s free browser extension does the work for you—automatically showing you price and inventory comparisons across your favorite suppliers while you shop.

                                    Join 7,000+ decorators already using PromoHunt daily.
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                                    News

                                    If you have anything newsworthy you would like us to share, please email details to [email protected]. Use the subject line “Weekly News.”

                                    Dad Joke

                                    Terry: I love telling Dad Jokes on Cinco de Mayo

                                    Yeah, that’s how “eye roll”  
                                    For our podcast listeners…

                                    Cut and Sew POD

                                    Aaron: How do you expand your business by just taking orders and cashing the check? Outsourcing can be a great and easy way to boost your revenue.

                                    Terry: Outsourcing has been a growth part of the garment decorating industry for a long time. And I know so many decorators who love the idea of taking the order, and then cashing the check.

                                    So Aaron, since you already had a scheduled trip to American Print & Supply this week, we thought using them as an example of an outsourced resource. Let’s talk about the pros and cons of this concept.

                                    Terry: Let’s start with what you offer customers who want to outsource.

                                    Are there services beyond just the printing? 

                                    Do you do fulfillment? 

                                    Custom packaging?

                                    Private labeling?

                                    And what about minimums?

                                    Let’s say one of our listeners wants to order an all-over print custom garment. What’s the process?

                                    (Show Some of the Videos)

                                    • Why this topic matters to decorators now (rising demand for custom, differentiation, etc.)
                                    • Segment 1: What is Cut-and-Sew?

                                      Examples of popular cut-and-sew products (jerseys, fashion pieces, uniforms, etc.) (Show Samples)

                                      For decorators unfamiliar with the term, what exactly is “cut-and-sew”?

                                      What makes it different from print-on-blank apparel?

                                      Segment 2: Why Add Cut-and-Sew to Your Business?

                                      • How it can elevate your brand’s perceived value?
                                        • Stand out from competitors with custom sizing, colors, and finishes
                                        • Higher margins and more control over product outcome
                                        • Segment 3: File Prep & Artwork Setup

                                          • How should decorators prep artwork differently for cut-and-sew projects?
                                            • Understanding bleed areas, seams, and alignment
                                            • Working with vector vs raster files
                                            • Segment 4: Pricing & Cost Strategy

                                              • What should a decorator think about when pricing cut-and-sew apparel?
                                              • Tips for quoting based on quantity, complexity, and material
                                              • Segment 5: Using Cut-and-Sew to Differentiate Your Brand

                                                • How can offering cut-and-sew give decorators a competitive edge?
                                                  • Telling your brand story through fully custom products
                                                  • Targeting niche audiences (e.g., sports, fashion, streetwear, events)
                                                  • Segment 6: Marketing Your Cut-and-Sew Capabilities

                                                    Creating a “Wow!” product demo to get people talking

                                                    How should a shop promote these services to current and new customers?

                                                    Social proof, samples, photoshoots – American Print on Demand

                                                    The Secret Sauce

                                                    We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                                                    OTHER EVENTS
                                                    • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                    • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                    • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-weekly Mastermind Groups with accountability, support, and a built-in support group.
                                                    • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago June 7-8.
                                                    • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, TBD
                                                    • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                                                    • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                                                    • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                                                    • Trade Shows
                                                      • DAX Nashville Farm Bureau Expo Center, Lebanon, TN – May 9-10, 2025
                                                      • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                                                        • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 30, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                        • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 31, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                        • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                                                          • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                                                          • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                                                            • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – August 1, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                            • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – August 2, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                            • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                                                            • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                                                            • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                                                            • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                                                            • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                                                              All dates and events are subject to change
                                                            • 1 hr 1 min
                                                            • Design You Can Feel: Exploring Texture-Rich Finishes in Apparel

                                                              This week on the 2 Regular Guys Podcast, we’re joined by Jeff Bender, the founder of Lion + Owl and author of Apparel Has No Gender. He is going to be joining us to explore the growing trend of texture-rich finishes in apparel. From tactile design elements to purposeful sensory details, decorators are embracing diverse materials and techniques that make garments not just look good, but feel meaningful. We’ll dive into how texture can elevate a design, create a more inclusive and engaging experience for the wearer, and even serve functional purposes for specific audiences. Whether you’re experimenting with specialty inks, embroidery, layering, or embellishments, this conversation will inspire you to think beyond the visual and create apparel that speaks to all the senses.

                                                              Tired of bouncing between SanMar, S&S, and alphabroder just to compare prices?

                                                              PromoHunt’s free browser extension does the work for you—automatically showing you price and inventory comparisons across your favorite suppliers while you shop.

                                                              Join 7,000+ decorators already using PromoHunt daily.
                                                              PromoHunt.com

                                                              News

                                                              If you have anything newsworthy you would like us to share, please email details to [email protected]. Use the subject line “Weekly News.”

                                                              BELLA+CANVAS, Stakes Manufacturing Join Forces to Support Supply Chain Evolution

                                                              EventsKonnections: A Simple Gathering Evolves into a Must-Attend Digital Printing Conference

                                                              Dad Joke

                                                              Aaron: The difference between a numerator and a denominator is a thin line. 
                                                              Terry: I bet only a fraction of people will understand this.

                                                              Texture-Rich Finishes

                                                              Aaron: Welcome Jeff! As we dive in, I’m going to tell my quick(ish) story about how we met and I’d love to hear your side of it. 

                                                              So what took you from that to launching Lion + Owl and stepping into the world of apparel?

                                                              Terry: What were some of the earliest pain points you noticed in traditional kids’ clothing that you wanted to solve through design?

                                                              Aaron: From your perspective, why is texture such a crucial part of clothing design, especially for neurodiverse individuals?

                                                              Terry: Have you had to balance aesthetics with functionality when it comes to texture? How do you approach that creatively?

                                                              Aaron: What advice would you give to apparel decorators or brands looking to add more sensory consideration into their designs?

                                                              Terry: Do you see opportunities for decorators to collaborate more intentionally with people designing for inclusion, like your team at Lion + Owl?

                                                              Aaron: In other industry podcasts, like the Apparelist you’ve spoken about true gender-neutral sizing. How does that tie into your mission of comfort and inclusivity?

                                                              Terry: What kind of feedback have you received from families and kids who wear Lion + Owl apparel? Any stories that stick with you?

                                                              Aaron: What’s next for you and Lion + Owl? Any upcoming products or ideas you’re excited to explore? And most importantly, how can people connect and support what you are doing?

                                                              SHARED LINKS:

                                                              Jeff’s Book: https://lionandowl.us/products/apparel-has-no-gender

                                                              Main Lion and Owl Site: https://lionandowl.usBacking for Embroidery to reduce texture: https://www.gunold.com/item/cover-the-back-embroidery-backing-white-20-x-27-yd-roll/

                                                              The Secret Sauce

                                                              We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                                                              OTHER EVENTS
                                                              • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                              • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                              • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-weekly Mastermind Groups with accountability, support, and a built-in support group.
                                                              • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago June 7-8.
                                                              • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, TBD
                                                              • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                                                              • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                                                              • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                                                              • Trade Shows
                                                                • DAX Nashville Farm Bureau Expo Center, Lebanon, TN – May 9-10, 2025
                                                                • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                                                                  • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 30, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                                  • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 31, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                                  • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                                                                    • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                                                                    • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                                                                      • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – August 1, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                                      • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – August 2, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                                      • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                                                                      • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                                                                      • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                                                                      • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                                                                      • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                                                                        All dates and events are subject to change
                                                                      • 1 hr 12 min
                                                                      • The Future of Education in Apparel Decorating

                                                                        This week on the 2 Regular Guys Podcast, we wrap up our 3-part series on education in the garment and product decorating industry. Terry, Aaron, and Erich reflect on what’s working—and what isn’t—when it comes to training, content, and mentorship. Plus, if we were running a shop today, what educational strategies would we put in place? From community learning to paid training models, we explore how decorators can grow their skills and how vendors can support long-term customer success. Whether you’re a shop owner, educator, or supplier, this conversation is full of actionable insights and bold predictions about where our industry’s learning culture needs to go next. Don’t miss the conclusion of this powerful series!

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                                                                        News

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                                                                        Dad Joke

                                                                        Terry: What’s the Easter Bunny’s favorite music?

                                                                        Hip-Hop

                                                                        Education in Apparel Decorating

                                                                        What would training look like if you were running a production shop today?

                                                                        Terry

                                                                        • Onboarding
                                                                          • Meet the new hire early, before the chaos of everyone else arriving
                                                                          • Be prepared for them, depending on their job, workspace set up, etc.
                                                                          • Lay out their training process
                                                                          • EXPECTATIONS
                                                                          • Ongoing training – 52/15
                                                                          • Cross-training sessions
                                                                          • Erich

                                                                            • Disclosure – expectations
                                                                            • SOPs – Standard operating procedures
                                                                            • Define tasks, Direct Instruction with Experienced Staff, Observed Practice, Direct and Immediate Feedback, and Confirmation.
                                                                            • AMP – Autonomy, Mastery, Purpose
                                                                            • 10% time – cultivate curiosity and desire to learn.
                                                                            • Full-chain Workflow Awareness / Cross-Training
                                                                            • New Employee Feedback at all stages
                                                                            • Aaron

                                                                              • In everything I do, I always start with our Reason
                                                                                • SVPs and How That All Ties Everything Together (SBS Episodes)
                                                                                • We would all take the VIA – https://oursuccessgroup.pro.viasurvey.org/
                                                                                • Customize Training for Leaning Into Our Strengths
                                                                                • Have Staff Lead Training in Their Area
                                                                                • Focus on Implementation / Not Just Good Ideas
                                                                                  • How many books do you read v. how many you implement
                                                                                  • Audience Question: How is your “training” set up? What do you do for growth?

                                                                                    What’s Next for Education in Our Industry?

                                                                                    • Where do we see things going?
                                                                                      • More hybrid models?
                                                                                      • AI-driven personalization? (Custom GPTs)
                                                                                      • More vendor-owned education platforms?
                                                                                      • How can vendors build loyalty by reinvesting in training and support?
                                                                                      • Collaboration: What can shops, educators, and suppliers do to push the industry forward together?
                                                                                      • Call to Action: What do you want to see next in industry education?
                                                                                      • The Secret Sauce

                                                                                        We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                                                                                        OTHER EVENTS
                                                                                        • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                        • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                        • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-weekly Mastermind Groups with accountability, support, and a built-in support group.
                                                                                        • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago June 7-8.
                                                                                        • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, TBD
                                                                                        • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                                                                                        • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                                                                                        • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                                                                                        • Trade Shows
                                                                                          • DAX Nashville Farm Bureau Expo Center, Lebanon, TN – May 9-10, 2025
                                                                                          • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                                                                                            • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 30, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                                                            • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 31, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                                                            • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                                                                                              • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                                                                                              • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                                                                                                • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – August 1, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                                                                • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – August 2, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                                                                • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                                                                                                • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                                                                                                • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                                                                                                • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                                                                                                • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                                                                                                  All dates and events are subject to change
                                                                                                • 1 hr 11 min
                                                                                                • Closing the Education Gap in the Decoration Industry

                                                                                                  This week on the 2 Regular Guys Podcast, Terry, Aaron, and Erich return to continue the conversation on one of the most critical topics in our industry – education. As we dive deeper into where the gaps are forming, we’ll explore the risks of pulling back on training, the rise of self-service content, and the challenge of navigating misinformation. We’ll also break down what’s working, what decorators are actually responding to, and whether paid education is replacing the bundled training that used to be standard. Finally, we’ll share our predictions and hopes for the future of industry education, along with a call to action for both vendors and decorators to build something better. If you care about learning, growing, and helping our industry thrive, this episode is for you.

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                                                                                                  News

                                                                                                  If you have anything newsworthy you would like us to share, please email details to [email protected]. Use the subject line “Weekly News.”

                                                                                                  Dad Joke

                                                                                                  Terry: A Japanese gardener asked me what I knew about bonsai trees

                                                                                                  I said, “Very little.”

                                                                                                  Education Gaps

                                                                                                  Gaps and Growing Pains

                                                                                                  • Examples of pullbacks in vendor training (e.g., Epson no longer requiring dealers to train buyers)
                                                                                                  • The YouTube Dilemma: “Go find it online” isn’t a substitute for structured education
                                                                                                  • The Misinformation Trap:
                                                                                                    • How can decorators tell what’s good advice vs. outdated or flat-out wrong?
                                                                                                    • Share a few real-world examples of common bad info out there
                                                                                                    • The difference between information and transformation
                                                                                                    • Audience Question: What kind of education has helped YOU most in your journey?

                                                                                                      What’s Working – and What’s Not

                                                                                                      • What types of education decorators are responding to today (short-form? long-form? workshops? live events?)
                                                                                                      • What’s falling flat (outdated manuals, generic videos, poorly produced content)
                                                                                                      • Are decorators willing to pay for training when it’s no longer included with equipment?
                                                                                                      • The rise of community-based learning (e.g., masterminds, peer groups, coaching programs)
                                                                                                      • Mentorship and how that’s playing a growing role in skills transfer
                                                                                                      • What’s Next for Education in Our Industry?

                                                                                                        • Where do we see things going?
                                                                                                          • More hybrid models?
                                                                                                          • AI-driven personalization? (Custom GPTs)
                                                                                                          • More vendor-owned education platforms?
                                                                                                          • How can vendors build loyalty by reinvesting in training and support?
                                                                                                          • Collaboration: What can shops, educators, and suppliers do to push the industry forward together?
                                                                                                          • Call to Action: What do you want to see next in industry education?
                                                                                                          • The Secret Sauce

                                                                                                            We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                                                                                                            OTHER EVENTS
                                                                                                            • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                            • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                            • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-weekly Mastermind Groups with accountability, support, and a built-in support group.
                                                                                                            • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago June 7-8.
                                                                                                            • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, TBD
                                                                                                            • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                                                                                                            • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                                                                                                            • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                                                                                                            • Trade Shows
                                                                                                              • Summit of Success – April 10-12, 2025 | Coteau des Prairies Lodge | North Dakota
                                                                                                              • DAX Nashville Farm Bureau Expo Center, Lebanon, TN – May 9-10, 2025
                                                                                                                • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 9, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                                                                                • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 10, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                                                                                • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                                                                                                                • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                                                                                                                  • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                                                                                                                  • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                                                                                                                  • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                                                                                                                  • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                                                                                                                  • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                                                                                                                  • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                                                                                                                  • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                                                                                                                    All dates and events are subject to change
                                                                                                                  • 1 hr 11 min
                                                                                                                  • Education vs. Content: What’s Really Helping Decorators Succeed?

                                                                                                                    This week on the 2 Regular Guys Podcast, Terry, Aaron, and producer Erich Campbell dive into understanding if decorators are truly being educated or just consuming content. We believe that after 13 years of carrying the flag for education, the industry as a whole is agreeing with us. With vendors ramping up their online videos, social posts, and expert partnerships, it feels like the tide is turning. But is this content really moving the needle for decorators? Or is the shift away from hands-on, in-depth training leaving some folks behind? We’ll explore how vendor education has evolved since our show began, where it’s headed, and why some companies are pulling back just as others are stepping up. Whether you’re a decorator trying to level up or a vendor wondering how to better serve your customers, this episode is packed with honest takes and practical insights.

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                                                                                                                    News

                                                                                                                    If you have anything newsworthy you would like us to share, please email details to [email protected]. Use the subject line “Weekly News.”

                                                                                                                    Dad Joke

                                                                                                                    Terry: Don’t you think it’s a shame nothing is built in the USA anymore?

                                                                                                                    I bought a TV yesterday that said: “Built in Antenna”. I don’t even know where that is!

                                                                                                                    Education versus Content

                                                                                                                    1. Opening Segment – Setting the Stage

                                                                                                                    Why this topic matters right now (What we’re seeing in the industry)

                                                                                                                    Quick welcome from Terry, Aaron, and Erich

                                                                                                                    Shoutout to the 13 years of advocating for education

                                                                                                                    2. The Evolution of Vendor Education

                                                                                                                    • How vendor-driven education has changed over the past decade
                                                                                                                    • From manuals and in-person training → to webinars, YouTube, Reels, etc.
                                                                                                                    • Examples of companies stepping up: Partnerships with educators, influencer training, vendor events
                                                                                                                    • Is it education or marketing disguised as education?
                                                                                                                    • 3. Hands-On Training vs. Self-Service Content

                                                                                                                      Discussion: What are decorators actually retaining and applying?

                                                                                                                      The power of in-person training (real-time feedback, hands-on practice, deeper learning)

                                                                                                                      The pros and cons of self-serve content (videos, PDFs, online communities)

                                                                                                                      When is one better than the other?

                                                                                                                      The Secret Sauce

                                                                                                                      We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                                                                                                                      OTHER EVENTS
                                                                                                                      • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                                      • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                                      • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-weekly Mastermind Groups with accountability, support, and a built-in support group.
                                                                                                                      • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago June 7-8.
                                                                                                                      • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, TBD
                                                                                                                      • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                                                                                                                      • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                                                                                                                      • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                                                                                                                      • Trade Shows
                                                                                                                        • Summit of Success – April 10-12, 2025 | Coteau des Prairies Lodge | North Dakota
                                                                                                                        • DAX Nashville Farm Bureau Expo Center, Lebanon, TN – May 9-10, 2025
                                                                                                                          • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 9, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                                                                                          • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 10, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                                                                                          • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                                                                                                                          • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                                                                                                                            • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                                                                                                                            • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                                                                                                                            • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                                                                                                                            • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                                                                                                                            • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                                                                                                                            • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                                                                                                                            • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                                                                                                                              All dates and events are subject to change
                                                                                                                            • 1 hr 13 min
                                                                                                                            • Winning B2B Sales Strategies for Decorators

                                                                                                                              This week on the 2 Regular Guys Podcast, we’re joined by Angie Meese of That Shirt Shack in Ohio—a business owner who has built a thriving B2B apparel decorating business through smart strategies, intentional networking, and a focus on client success. Angie shares practical insights into identifying your ideal customer, setting up “yes” conversations, and avoiding common pitfalls in business-to-business sales. Whether you’re just starting out or looking to grow your B2B client base, this episode is packed with real-world advice you can apply immediately. Tune in live, bring your questions, and get ready to rethink your sales approach!

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                                                                                                                              News

                                                                                                                              If you have anything newsworthy you would like us to share, please email details to [email protected]. Use the subject line “Weekly News.”

                                                                                                                              Dad Joke

                                                                                                                              Terry: What do you call a detective who solves all his cases by accident?

                                                                                                                              Sheer Luck Holmes

                                                                                                                              B2B Sales Strategies

                                                                                                                              Aaron: Let’s welcome in Angie Meese with That Shirt Shack. Angie, we don’t do the formal bios anymore. We like our guests to tell us a little about yourself and how you found your way to our industry.

                                                                                                                              Terry: Diving right into our discussion of B2B sales strategies, What types of businesses have been the best partners for you—and how did you find them?

                                                                                                                              Aaron: How do you set up “yes” conversations with new clients, and what does that look like in your process?

                                                                                                                              Terry: What marketing tools or platforms have worked best for reaching and engaging business clients? Do you use samples, social media, or content to showcase what you offer B2B customers?

                                                                                                                              Aaron: What would you say is the biggest mistake B2B decorators make?

                                                                                                                              Terry: Lots of changes in the industry over the past few years. Look into your crystal ball and tell us what you see in the future.

                                                                                                                              Aaron: Let’s wrap up with a golden nugget of advice you can share with your fellow decorators here today. If you could leave us with the most important bit of information you have, what would that be?

                                                                                                                              Terry: Angie, how can our listeners reach out to you?

                                                                                                                              The Secret Sauce

                                                                                                                              We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                                                                                                                              OTHER EVENTS
                                                                                                                              • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                                              • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                                              • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-weekly Mastermind Groups with accountability, support, and a built-in support group.
                                                                                                                              • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago March 15-16.
                                                                                                                              • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, February 1-2
                                                                                                                              • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                                                                                                                              • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                                                                                                                              • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                                                                                                                              • Trade Shows
                                                                                                                                • Summit of Success – April 10-12, 2025 | Coteau des Prairies Lodge | North Dakota
                                                                                                                                • DAX Nashville Farm Bureau Expo Center, Lebanon, TN – May 9-10, 2025
                                                                                                                                  • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 9, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                                                                                                  • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 10, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                                                                                                  • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                                                                                                                                  • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                                                                                                                                    • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                                                                                                                                    • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                                                                                                                                    • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                                                                                                                                    • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                                                                                                                                    • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                                                                                                                                    • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                                                                                                                                    • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                                                                                                                                      All dates and events are subject to change
                                                                                                                                    • 1 hr 5 min
                                                                                                                                    • Growth Strategies in Uncertain Times: Future-Proofing Your Business

                                                                                                                                      With uncertainty in the industry, slow trade shows, and businesses holding back, is now the time to retreat or push forward? This week, Terry and Aaron tackle the reality of today’s market. From struggling events to economic concerns, with a highlight on how decorators can turn challenges into opportunities. We’ll discuss what’s happening, why disruption and innovation thrive in tough times, and practical strategies to stay ahead, create more market share, and position yourself for long-term success. Whether you’re feeling the impact or looking for ways to stay strong, this episode is packed with insights to help you thrive in any market condition.

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                                                                                                                                      News

                                                                                                                                      If you have anything newsworthy you would like us to share, please email details to [email protected]. Use the subject line “Weekly News.”

                                                                                                                                      Dad Joke

                                                                                                                                      Terry: Why do scuba divers fall backwards out of the boat?

                                                                                                                                      Because if they fell forward they’d still be in the boat.

                                                                                                                                      Growth Strategies
                                                                                                                                      1. Quick Recap of Last Week’s Discussion
                                                                                                                                      • Recognizing the Reality of the Market: Slow trade shows, businesses holding back, economic uncertainty.
                                                                                                                                      • Why Tough Times Create Opportunities: Many businesses retreat, creating openings for those willing to innovate.
                                                                                                                                      • Mindset Shift: Instead of panic, focus on strategy, adaptability, and problem-solving.
                                                                                                                                      • 2. Strengthening Your Business & Gaining Market Share
                                                                                                                                        • Learning from Past Downturns (2008, COVID, etc.) – Who survived and why?
                                                                                                                                        • Cutting the Right Costs vs. Cutting Yourself Off at the Knees – Smart spending, not just slashing budgets.
                                                                                                                                        • The Power of Niching Down – Becoming the go-to expert in your space.
                                                                                                                                        • Strengthening Customer Relationships – Value and education over price wars.
                                                                                                                                        • Brand Differentiation – Standing out when competitors cut back.
                                                                                                                                        • Leveraging Content & Storytelling – Building loyalty even in uncertain times.
                                                                                                                                        • 3. Positioning for Long-Term Success
                                                                                                                                          • Investing in Efficiency: Automation, training, and refining processes. (Investing your time too!)
                                                                                                                                          • Smart Marketing in a Downturn: Where to spend and where to cut back.
                                                                                                                                          • Collaboration Over Competition: Finding strategic partnerships.
                                                                                                                                          • Adaptability & Innovation: How the most successful businesses stay ahead.
                                                                                                                                          • 4. Actionable Takeaways: What Listeners Can Do Right Now
                                                                                                                                            • Evaluate & Improve: Where can your business pivot or optimize?
                                                                                                                                            • Keep Learning: Investing in education to stay ahead.
                                                                                                                                            • Build Your Network: The power of connecting with industry peers.
                                                                                                                                            • Find Small Wins: Incremental improvements lead to big growth.
                                                                                                                                            • Mindset Shift: Now is not the time to retreat—it’s time to plan and act!

                                                                                                                                              The Secret Sauce

                                                                                                                                              We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                                                                                                                                              OTHER EVENTS
                                                                                                                                              • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                                                              • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                                                              • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-Weekly Mastermind Groups on top of the industry-leading business training.
                                                                                                                                              • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago March 15-16.
                                                                                                                                              • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, February 1-2
                                                                                                                                              • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                                                                                                                                              • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                                                                                                                                              • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                                                                                                                                              • Trade Shows
                                                                                                                                                • Impressions Expo Atlantic City, NJ – March 20-22, 2025
                                                                                                                                                • Summit of Success – April 10-12, 2025 | Coteau des Prairies Lodge | North Dakota
                                                                                                                                                • DAX Nashville Farm Bureau Expo Center, Lebanon, TN – May 9-10, 2025
                                                                                                                                                  • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 9, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                                                                                                                  • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 10, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                  • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                                                                                                                                                  • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                                                                                                                                                    • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                                                                                                                                                    • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                                                                                                                                                    • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                                                                                                                                                    • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                                                                                                                                                    • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                                                                                                                                                    • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                                                                                                                                                    • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                                                                                                                                                      All dates and events are subject to change
                                                                                                                                                    • 1 hr 9 min
                                                                                                                                                    • Success in Troubled Times: Turning Challenges into Opportunities

                                                                                                                                                      With uncertainty in the industry, slow trade shows, and businesses holding back, is now the time to retreat or push forward? This week, Terry and Aaron tackle the reality of today’s market. From struggling events to economic concerns, with a highlight on how decorators can turn challenges into opportunities. We’ll discuss what’s happening, why disruption and innovation thrive in tough times, and practical strategies to stay ahead, create more market share, and position yourself for long-term success. Whether you’re feeling the impact or looking for ways to stay strong, this episode is packed with insights to help you thrive in any market condition.

                                                                                                                                                      Our regular listeners know this, but 2 Regular Guys are all about garment decorating, a bit of fun, and no rants, lectures, or selling. 2 Regular Guys was not created for our employers but for our industry. Since February 2013, The 2 Regular Guys have been the first and the most listened-to garment decorating industry podcast on this planet! We are humbled by all of you tuning in each week. We work hard to bring you information that will improve your business and our industry. Take a look at our incredible weekly guest list, and you’ll understand where this industry goes for news, interviews, and the heartbeat of garment decorating. Thanks for listening!

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                                                                                                                                                      News

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                                                                                                                                                      Dad Joke

                                                                                                                                                      Aaron: You think gas and electric bills are expensive? Have you seen chimneys?

                                                                                                                                                      They are through the roof!

                                                                                                                                                      Challenges to Opportunities
                                                                                                                                                      1. Setting the Stage: What’s Happening in the Industry?
                                                                                                                                                      • Overview of recent trade show performance (Irving, DAX, Long Beach, etc.)
                                                                                                                                                      • Economic uncertainty and its impact on business investment
                                                                                                                                                      • Mergers & acquisitions – What do they signal about the industry’s direction?
                                                                                                                                                      • Customers hesitant to buy – what’s causing the delay? (TikTok situation, economy, AI, and market shifts)
                                                                                                                                                      • Signs we’re seeing

                                                                                                                                                        • Trade show attendance
                                                                                                                                                        • Trade show purchase slowdown
                                                                                                                                                        • But is this translating to the end consumer slowing down too?
                                                                                                                                                        • Is this a self-created downturn based on nothing more than caution… feelings?
                                                                                                                                                        • 2. Why Tough Times Breed Innovation and Disruption
                                                                                                                                                          • History repeating? Similar patterns from 2008
                                                                                                                                                          • Businesses that pivot and innovate often emerge stronger
                                                                                                                                                          • Examples of companies that have successfully adapted in past downturns
                                                                                                                                                          • What decorators can learn from other industries
                                                                                                                                                          • 3. How to Stay Strong and Create More Market Share

                                                                                                                                                            Handling downturns like 2008, Covid, etc.

                                                                                                                                                            • Businesses that were already hanging by a thread are the first to go
                                                                                                                                                            • Tighten your belt, look at your spending
                                                                                                                                                              • The power of niching down – becoming the go-to expert
                                                                                                                                                              • Strengthening customer relationships through value and education
                                                                                                                                                              • Brand differentiation – Standing out when competitors cut back
                                                                                                                                                              • Leveraging content and storytelling to build brand loyalty
                                                                                                                                                              • 4. Positioning Your Business for Long-Term Success
                                                                                                                                                                • Investing in efficiency: Automation, training, and better processes
                                                                                                                                                                • Smart marketing during downturns – Where to spend and where to cut back
                                                                                                                                                                • Collaboration over competition – Finding strategic partnerships
                                                                                                                                                                • Adaptability – The key to long-term survival in any industry
                                                                                                                                                                • 5. Actionable Takeaways: What Listeners Can Do Now
                                                                                                                                                                  • Mindset shift – Why now is NOT the time to panic, but to plan and act
                                                                                                                                                                  • Evaluate your business – Where can you improve or pivot?
                                                                                                                                                                  • Invest in education – Keep learning and stay ahead of trends
                                                                                                                                                                  • Connect with industry peers – Build support networks and collaborations
                                                                                                                                                                  • Find small wins – Look for incremental improvements and new revenue streams
                                                                                                                                                                  • The Secret Sauce

                                                                                                                                                                    We serve up bite-sized tips for our #regulators to instantly spice up their decorated apparel business. Just like the perfect wing sauce, these quick tips can transform your business experience, adding flavor and depth to your operations. Each video in this playlist is a nugget of wisdom, carefully selected for its potential to bring immediate value to your work. So, whether you’re a seasoned pro or just getting started in the decorated apparel industry, dip into our ‘Secret Sauce’ for insights that can help you soar.

                                                                                                                                                                    OTHER EVENTS
                                                                                                                                                                    • Small Business Saturdays – Saturdays at Noon Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                                                                                    • Rising Tide Talks! – Wednesdays at 5 PM Central Time and then available to watch any time.
                                                                                                                                                                    • Master of Success Inner Circle – Bi-Weekly Mastermind Groups on top of the industry-leading business training.
                                                                                                                                                                    • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Atlas Screen Supply in Chicago March 15-16.
                                                                                                                                                                    • Complete Screen Printing Business Course with Workhorse Products in Phoenix, AZ, February 1-2
                                                                                                                                                                    • The Take-up with Erich Campbell – Fridays at 2:30 Mountain Time
                                                                                                                                                                    • Demystifying Next Level Digitizing Online Training from Erich Campbell
                                                                                                                                                                    • Understanding Emblems  Learn from Erich Campbell about digitizing for patches.
                                                                                                                                                                    • Trade Shows
                                                                                                                                                                      • Impressions Expo Atlantic City, NJ – March 20-22, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                      • Summit of Success – April 10-12, 2025 | Coteau des Prairies Lodge | North Dakota
                                                                                                                                                                      • DAX Nashville Farm Bureau Expo Center, Lebanon, TN – May 9-10, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                        • Fast Track Your Success: Halve The Time to Achieve Your Goals – May 9, 2025 at 2 PM
                                                                                                                                                                        • How To Master Pricing: Pricing For Profit – May 10, 2025 at 12:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                        • DAX Chicago Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL – May 30-31, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                        • Graphics Pro Expo Indianapolis, IN – June 19-21, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                          • Marketing Better in 2025: Grow Profits with Clarity and Connection – June 21, 2025 at 11 AM
                                                                                                                                                                          • DAX Twin Cities Hilton Doubletree, Bloomington, MN – August 1-2, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                          • Graphics Pro Expo Long Beach, CA – August 21-23, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                          • Graphics Pro Meadowlands, NJ – September 12-13, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                          • Impressions Expo Dallas, TX – October 2-4, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                          • Printing United Orlando, FL – October 22-24, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                          • Graphics Pro Charlotte, NC – November 6-8, 2025
                                                                                                                                                                            All dates and events are subject to change
                                                                                                                                                                          • 1 hr 9 min

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                                                                                                                                                                          2 Regular Guys... talking decorations, personalization and customization every Friday.