Who taught you how to love?

In Episode 5 of Two Things Can Be True, Kas and Lellies look back at the relationships they witnessed growing up—and how those experiences followed them into adulthood.

From watching parents argue and make up without ever really resolving the problem, to seeing cheating, sacrifice, single parenting and different versions of what “love” was supposed to look like, they unpack the lessons they kept…and the ones they had to unlearn.

Kas opens up about growing up believing you could do wrong in a relationship and somehow still work it out, while Lellies shares how watching her father navigate relationships shaped what she knew she DIDN’T want in a partner.

And when the conversation turns to their own relationship, they get honest about arguments, communication, stubbornness and realizing sometimes the fight isn't really about what you think it is.

Can you love someone without repeating the relationship patterns you grew up watching?

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00:00 – Love, Arguments & Making Up

00:59 – Kas & Lellies Are Engaged!

02:34 – Life Updates

05:13 – Learning to Let People Show Up for You

06:12 – The Birthday Surprise

08:02 – Career Wins & J. Cole

09:33 – Family, Culture & Meeting the Family

10:47 – What Is Love?

12:24 – Who Taught You How to Love?

13:25 – Losing a Mom & Learning Love From Dad

15:29 – The Love Kas Saw Growing Up

18:04 – Arguments, Sex & Toxic Love

20:43 – Watching Your Parents Date

21:32 – Searching for Love

22:51 – Did We Repeat What Our Parents Taught Us?

24:40 – Why Kas Thought Having Multiple Women Was Normal

25:38 – Lellies Admits She Used to Cheat

26:43 – The Good Things Our Parents Taught Us

30:37 – Watching Your Family Sacrifice

33:55 – A Father's Sacrifice

36:07 – Learning About Love From TV

37:31 – Unhealthy Love

40:22 – Are We Repeating the Same Patterns?

42:39 – The Argument That Was Really About Missing Each Other

44:10 – What Our Relationship Has Taught Us About Love

45:25 – Creating Your Own Rules for Love

47:40 – What Does a Healthy Relationship Look Like?

48:19 – Love Looks Different for Everybody

Kas and Lellies get personal about growth, ambition, sacrifice, and how relationships change when two people’s goals don’t always line up.

After celebrating Lellies’ career wins at Essence Fest, the conversation turns to how much they’ve both changed since they first met. From self-sabotage and learning to bet on yourself to becoming more patient, more confident, and more intentional, they reflect on the versions of themselves they’ve had to leave behind.

Then things get real: What happens when one person is ready to start a family while the other is still chasing career goals? Kas opens up about wanting another child, while Lellies explains why she still wants time to go hard for her career.

They also debate the sacrifices people make for love, whether you should relocate for your partner’s dream opportunity, whether long-distance relationships actually work, and one of the biggest questions of the episode: Do you have to be selfish to become successful?

Two perspectives. One relationship. Two Things Can Be True.

00:00 God Bless You: Lellies Is Changing

00:53 Welcome Back to Two Things Can Be True

01:19 Lellies’ Big Weekend at Essence Fest

03:01 From the Back Door to the Superdome

05:20 Self-Sabotage, Motivation & Needing Haters

06:20 Learning to Stop Breaking Yourself Down

08:22 Undersell and Overdeliver

09:58 What Have We Outgrown?

11:07 Stop Talking Yourself Out of Your Dreams

12:30 What Should Never Change About Us?

14:52 How Different Are We From When We Met?

17:29 Learning How to Be “Nice Nasty”

19:33 Growing and Changing in a Relationship

20:04 Have Our Goals Stopped Aligning?

20:16 Career vs. Starting a Family

23:22 When Two People Want Different Things

26:20 Are You Ever Really Ready for a Child?

29:37 What Have You Sacrificed for This Relationship?

32:29 Putting Your Career on Hold for Your Partner

33:44 The Dream Job Scenario: Who Should Compromise?

36:14 Can We Actually Do Long Distance?

37:34 Is Following Your Dreams Selfish?

40:00 Can Resentment Ruin the Sacrifice?

40:55 The Things We Do for Love

Kas and Lellies are talking about one of the trickiest parts of being in a relationship: your friends.

What happens when your partner doesn’t like one of your friends? Should your partner meet everyone in your circle? Can you have an opposite-sex best friend without crossing boundaries? And how much of your relationship business should you really be telling your friends?

Kas and Lellies get personal about their own friend groups, why they may actually be too close as a couple, friends knowing too much, respecting opposite-sex friendships, and whether you should tell your partner something that could completely change their happiness.

Then they close things out with quick-fire questions—including the big one: If your partner and your best friend don’t get along, who comes first?

Two perspectives. One relationship. Two Things Can Be True.

00:00 Welcome to Two Things Can Be True

00:30 Jay-Z, D’Ussé & the Concert Weekend

03:21 First Impressions of Each Other’s Friends

06:23 The Friends We Don’t Understand

08:44 The Friends We Appreciate

11:06 Can Your Partner Tell You Who to Be Friends With?

11:50 Boundaries With Opposite-Sex Friends

14:20 “Did Y’all Ever Hook Up?”

15:11 Balancing Friendship, Independence & Commitment

15:53 Are We Too Close as a Couple?

18:31 How Close Should Your Friends Be to Your Partner?

21:08 How Much Influence Should Friends Have?

21:48 Do You Tell Your Partner Your Friends’ Business?

23:12 Should Friends Influence Your Relationship?

24:12 The Secret You Might NOT Want to Know

26:12 Quick-Fire Relationship Questions

26:23 Should Your Partner Meet All Your Friends?

27:11 Should You Vent About Your Relationship?

27:29 Is Talking to a Friend Every Day Too Much?

27:49 Should Couples Have Separate Friend Groups?

27:56 Your Partner vs. Your Best Friend: Who Comes First?

28:49 Final Thoughts: Lovers AND Best Friends

You can love somebody deeply… and still have moments when you don’t like them very much.

On Episode 2 of Two Things Can Be True, Cass and Lilys get real about the habits that drive each other crazy, the point when their relationship almost didn’t make it, learning how to argue without destroying the relationship, and why having the right people around you can sometimes help you see your partner differently.

They also get into what it means to truly support your partner through career changes, self-doubt and life — even when you’re not seeing eye to eye.

Then the conversation takes a turn: If one person is ready for marriage and the other keeps saying “not yet”… how long is too long to wait?

Can someone truly love you and still not be ready to marry you?

Two perspectives. One relationship. Two things can be true.

00:00 Intro

00:50 Welcome Back to Two Things Can Be True

01:19 Summer, Adulting & Life in Your 30s

02:47 What Was Your First Impression of Me?

05:07 What Annoyed You About Me When We Met?

07:53 The Things She Did That Drove Him Crazy

10:06 What Still Drives Us Crazy About Each Other?

11:13 “You Don’t Need Makeup” — The Wrong Compliment?

13:22 The Habits That Still Piss Us Off

14:21 Did We Ever Think Our Relationship Wouldn't Last?

16:17 Depression, Feeling Lost & Fighting for the Relationship

17:51 Be Careful Who Gives You Relationship Advice

18:56 Loving Your Partner vs. Liking Your Partner

20:26 How We Handle Conflict

21:48 Is It Okay to Go to Bed Angry?

23:07 Supporting Each Other Through Life & Career

25:02 What Is a “Healthy Argument”?

26:04 Fighting Because You Believe in Your Partner

28:17 Your Partner Should Remind You Who You Are

29:45 What Real Support Looks Like

30:25 Self-Doubt, Creativity & Chasing Your Dreams

33:25 How Long Is TOO Long to Wait for Marriage?

34:44 Can Someone Love You and Not Be Ready?

36:01 Are You Actually Ready to Be a Husband or Wife?

36:53 To Be Continued…

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Welcome to Two Things Can Be True.

Episode 1 is officially here! We’re kicking things off by introducing you to us, our relationship, how we see things VERY differently, and giving you a taste of what you can expect from the show.

Two perspectives. One relationship. A whole lot to talk about.

From chasing dreams and supporting each other through the tough seasons to the relationship hypotheticals that might have us looking at each other a little differently — nothing is off limits.

CHAPTERS

00:00 – Welcome to Two Things Can Be True

00:46 – Meet the Couple 01:24 – Is This a Relationship Podcast?

03:04 – What People Don’t Know About Us

04:18 – Everybody Is Looking for Love

04:39 – The Realist vs. The Dreamer

06:18 – The Pressure of Being the Man

08:04 – When Your Partner’s Dreams Get Tested

10:27 – Learning to Be Still

11:02 – Sacrifices We’ve Made for Each Other

14:18 – Our Favorite Season of Our Relationship

16:03 – Why COVID Was Her Favorite Era

17:43 – Watching Your Partner Chase Their Passion

19:48 – Growing Together Without Losing Yourself

20:54 – The Relationship Hypothetical Begins

21:22 – 50 Cent, Diddy & the Sex Tape Conversation

22:19 – What If Your Partner’s Old Sex Tape Leaked?

23:23 – Would You Break Up With Them?

25:29 – Is a Sex Tape a Dealbreaker?

26:15 – Two Things Can Be True

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