On today's show it's Dr Julie Kinn! She's a licensed clinical psychologist with over 15 years of experience researching and implementing health technology for suicide prevention and other behavioral health promotion. At the Department of Defense and the Defense Health Agency, Kinn oversees the development and implementation of health technology for the military and veteran communities.

They talk to Dr Kinn about her birthday -- April 22, fulfilling your side dreams, pregnant ladies, fight or flight, deep breathing, virtual hope box, there’s no one size fits all, the military meditation coach, Rick asks a good question, creating habits, TATRC, usability, A Better Night’s Sleep Podcast, and spray paint.

Before the interview, Mark and Rick talk about Mark's scooter crash in San Diego. 

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