Erik Tait talks to underground phenom and critically acclaimed creator Jeremiah Zuo. Despite creating some of the most bleeding-edge card and coin magic today, Jeremiah insists he is not a magician but a fan of magic. In this episode, you'll find out why. Nick Locapo joins Erik for a discussion of the featured download of the week from Dan Harlan. The show kicks off with comedian, magician, and corporate speaker Adam Christing talking about his Desert Island Magic Books.