Former Mayor of New Plymouth, Andrew Judd, joins us to talk about race from a Pākehā perspective.  Andrew had a huge world view shift around race while in the role of Mayor that has shaped his life beyond that.  

We talk about what he loved about being mayor, what brought on the shift in thinking and the negative response to that from constituents, and how he sees life now.  We cover the issue of Māori wards, and his role in petitioning the government to change the law - and why he feels that is important for NZ.   It's an honest, open conversation about some hard truths.

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