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In this episode, we take a look at the reimplementation of NetBSD using a Microkernel, check out what makes DHCP faster, and see what high-process count support for DragonflyBSD has to offer, and we answer the questions you’ve always wanted to ask us.
Based on the MINIX 3 microkernel, we have constructed a system that to the user looks a great deal like NetBSD. It uses pkgsrc, NetBSD headers and libraries, and passes over 80% of the KYUA tests). However, inside, the system is completely different. At the bottom is a small (about 13,000 lines of code) microkernel that handles interrupts, message passing, low-level scheduling, and hardware related details. Nearly all of the actual operating system, including memory management, the file system(s), paging, and all the device drivers run as user-mode processes protected by the MMU. As a consequence, failures or security issues in one component cannot spread to other ones. In some cases a failed component can be replaced automatically and on the fly, while the system is running, and without user processes noticing it. The talk will discuss the history, goals, technology, and status of the project.
I figure there are three main categories of time-consuming activities that occur during network initialization:
Over the decades, FreeBSD development and coordination has shifted from being purely on-line to involving more and more in-person coordination and cooperation. The FreeBSD Foundation sponsors a devsummit right before BSDCan, EuroBSDCon, and AsiaBSDCon, so that developers traveling to the con can leverage their airfare and hammer out some problems. Yes, the Internet is great for coordination, but nothing beats a group of developers spending ten minutes together to sketch on a whiteboard and figuring out exactly how to make something bulletproof.
JT: An Astronaut
JT: Who said I was organized?
JT: I love photography, but I do that Professional part time, so I’m not sure if that counts as a hobby anymore. I guess it’d have to be working in the garage on my cars.
JT: What is this word ‘relax’ and what does it mean?
JT: I use TrueOS, but if FreeBSD didn’t exist, that project might not either… so… My other choice would be HardenedBSD, but since it’s also based on FreeBSD I’m in the same dillema.
JT: I learned Linux in the mid 90s using Slackware, which I used consistently up until the mid 2000s, when I joined the PuppyLinux community and eventually became a developer (FYI, Puppy was/is/can be based on Slackware -- its complicated). So I’d go back to using either Slackware or PuppyLinux.
JT: I work part time as a professional Photographer, so I do use Windows for my photography work. While I can do everything I need to do in Linux, it comes down to being pragmatic about my time. What takes me several hours to accomplish in Linux I can accomplish in 20 minutes on Windows.
BR: Very simple and boring: Apple Airport Express base station and an AVM FritzBox for DNS, DHCP, and the link to my provider. A long network cable to my desktop machine. That I use less and less often. I just bought an RPI 3 for some home use in the future to replace it. Mostly my brother’s and my Macbook Pro’s are connected, our phones and the iPad of my mother.
AJ: I have a E3-1220 v3 (dual 3.1ghz + HT) with 8 GB of ram, and 4x Intel gigabit server NICs as my router, and it runs vanilla FreeBSD (usually some snapshot of -current). I have 4 different VLANs, Home, Office, DMZ, and Guest WiFi. WiFi is served via a tiny USB powered device I bought in Tokyo years ago, it serves 3 different SSIDs, one for each VLAN except the DMZ. There are ethernet jacks in every room wired for 10 gigabit, although the only machines with 10 gigabit are my main workstation, file server, and some machines in the server rack. There are 3 switches, one for the house (in the laundry room), one for the rack, and one for 10gig stuff. There is a rack in the basement spare bedroom, it has 7 servers in it, mostly storage for live replicas of customer data for my company.
BR: I use VIrtualBox for everything that is not natively available or Windows-only. Unfortunately, that means no modern games. I mostly do work in the shell when I’m on FreeBSD and when it has to be a graphical application, then I use Fluxbox as the DE. I want to get work done, not look at fancy eye-candy that get’s boring after a while. Deactivated the same stuff on my mac due to the same reason. I look for alternative software online, but my needs are relatively easy to satisfy as I’m not doing video editing/rendering and such.
AJ: I generally find that I don’t need these apps. I use Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenSSH, Quassel, KomodoEdit, and a few other apps, so my needs are not very demanding. It is annoying when packages are broken, but I usually work around this with boot environments, and being able to just roll back to a version that worked for a few days until the problem is solved. I do still have access to a windows machine for the odd time I need specific VPN software or access to Dell/HP etc out-of-band management tools.
JT: As a Lumina Desktop developer, I think my preference is obvious. ;) I am also a long
BR: I use Fluxbox when I need to work with a lot of windows or an application demands X11. KDE and others are too memory heavy for me and I rarely use even 20% of the features they provide.
BR: I use zsh, but without all the fancy stuff you can find online. It might make you more productive, yes. But again, I try to keep things simple. I’m slowly learning tmux and want to work more in it in the future. I sometimes look at other BSD people’s laptops and am amazed at what they do with window-management in tmux. My prompt looks like this:
AJ: I started using tcsh early on, because it was the shell on the first box I had access to, and because one of the first things I read in “BSD Hacks” was how to enable ‘typo correction”, which made my life a lot better especially on dial up in the early days. My shell prompt looks like this: allan@CA-TOR1-02:/usr/home/allan%
JT: AUFS from Linux
BR: Nohup from Illumos where you can detach an already running process and put it in the background. I often forget that and I’m not in tmux when that happens, so I can see myself use that feature a lot.
AJ: Zones (more complete Jails) from IllumOS
JT: These days I’m mostly learning things I need for work, so it just falls into something I’m doing while working on work projects.
BR: We have a lot of time during the semester holidays to learn on our own, it’s part of the idea of being in a university to keep yourself updated, at least for me. Especially in the fast moving world of IT. I also read a lot in my free time. My interests can shift sometimes, but then I devour everything I can find on the topic. Can be a bit excessive, but has gotten me where I am now and I still need a lot to learn (and want to). Since I work with FreeBSD at work (my owndoing), I can try out many things there.
AJ: My work means a spend a lot of time working with FreeBSD, but not that much time working ON it. My contributions are mostly done outside of work, but as I own the company I do get more flexibility to take time off for conferences and other FreeBSD related stuff.
BR: Desserts of various kinds.
AJ: I am probably not the right person to look at your rock64 board. Most people in the project have taken to bribing me with chocolate. In general, my todo list is so long, the best way is a trade, you take this task and I’ll take that task.
JT: These days I’m using Android on my Blackberry Priv, but until recently I was still a heavy user of Sailfish OS. I would use SailfishOS everyday, if I could find a phone with a keyboard that I could run it on.
BR: iOS on the iPhone 7 currently. Never used an Android phone, saw it on other people’s devices and what they can do with it (much more). But the infrequent security updates (if any at all) keep me away from it.
AJ: I have a Google Nexus 6 (Android 7.1). I wanted the ‘pure’ Android experience, and I had been happy with my previous Nexus S. I don’t run a custom OS/ROM or anything because I use the phone to verify that video streams work on an ‘average users device’. I am displeased that support for my device will end soon. I am not sure what device I will get next, but it definitely won’t be an iPhone.
The site has been given a less antiquated "look". (As the topic icons have been eliminated, we are no longer seeking help with those graphics.)
As before, constructive feedback would be appreciated. Of particular interest are reports of bugs in behaviour (for example, in the HTML validator or in authentication) that would preclude the adoption of the current code for the main site.
We've fixed a number of bottlenecks that can develop when the number of user processes runs into the tens of thousands or higher. One thing led to another and I said to myself, "gee, we have a 6-digit PID, might as well make it work to a million!". With the commits made today, master can support at least 900,000 processes with just a kern.maxproc setting in
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In this episode, we take a look at the reimplementation of NetBSD using a Microkernel, check out what makes DHCP faster, and see what high-process count support for DragonflyBSD has to offer, and we answer the questions you’ve always wanted to ask us.
Based on the MINIX 3 microkernel, we have constructed a system that to the user looks a great deal like NetBSD. It uses pkgsrc, NetBSD headers and libraries, and passes over 80% of the KYUA tests). However, inside, the system is completely different. At the bottom is a small (about 13,000 lines of code) microkernel that handles interrupts, message passing, low-level scheduling, and hardware related details. Nearly all of the actual operating system, including memory management, the file system(s), paging, and all the device drivers run as user-mode processes protected by the MMU. As a consequence, failures or security issues in one component cannot spread to other ones. In some cases a failed component can be replaced automatically and on the fly, while the system is running, and without user processes noticing it. The talk will discuss the history, goals, technology, and status of the project.
I figure there are three main categories of time-consuming activities that occur during network initialization:
Over the decades, FreeBSD development and coordination has shifted from being purely on-line to involving more and more in-person coordination and cooperation. The FreeBSD Foundation sponsors a devsummit right before BSDCan, EuroBSDCon, and AsiaBSDCon, so that developers traveling to the con can leverage their airfare and hammer out some problems. Yes, the Internet is great for coordination, but nothing beats a group of developers spending ten minutes together to sketch on a whiteboard and figuring out exactly how to make something bulletproof.
JT: An Astronaut
JT: Who said I was organized?
JT: I love photography, but I do that Professional part time, so I’m not sure if that counts as a hobby anymore. I guess it’d have to be working in the garage on my cars.
JT: What is this word ‘relax’ and what does it mean?
JT: I use TrueOS, but if FreeBSD didn’t exist, that project might not either… so… My other choice would be HardenedBSD, but since it’s also based on FreeBSD I’m in the same dillema.
JT: I learned Linux in the mid 90s using Slackware, which I used consistently up until the mid 2000s, when I joined the PuppyLinux community and eventually became a developer (FYI, Puppy was/is/can be based on Slackware -- its complicated). So I’d go back to using either Slackware or PuppyLinux.
JT: I work part time as a professional Photographer, so I do use Windows for my photography work. While I can do everything I need to do in Linux, it comes down to being pragmatic about my time. What takes me several hours to accomplish in Linux I can accomplish in 20 minutes on Windows.
BR: Very simple and boring: Apple Airport Express base station and an AVM FritzBox for DNS, DHCP, and the link to my provider. A long network cable to my desktop machine. That I use less and less often. I just bought an RPI 3 for some home use in the future to replace it. Mostly my brother’s and my Macbook Pro’s are connected, our phones and the iPad of my mother.
AJ: I have a E3-1220 v3 (dual 3.1ghz + HT) with 8 GB of ram, and 4x Intel gigabit server NICs as my router, and it runs vanilla FreeBSD (usually some snapshot of -current). I have 4 different VLANs, Home, Office, DMZ, and Guest WiFi. WiFi is served via a tiny USB powered device I bought in Tokyo years ago, it serves 3 different SSIDs, one for each VLAN except the DMZ. There are ethernet jacks in every room wired for 10 gigabit, although the only machines with 10 gigabit are my main workstation, file server, and some machines in the server rack. There are 3 switches, one for the house (in the laundry room), one for the rack, and one for 10gig stuff. There is a rack in the basement spare bedroom, it has 7 servers in it, mostly storage for live replicas of customer data for my company.
BR: I use VIrtualBox for everything that is not natively available or Windows-only. Unfortunately, that means no modern games. I mostly do work in the shell when I’m on FreeBSD and when it has to be a graphical application, then I use Fluxbox as the DE. I want to get work done, not look at fancy eye-candy that get’s boring after a while. Deactivated the same stuff on my mac due to the same reason. I look for alternative software online, but my needs are relatively easy to satisfy as I’m not doing video editing/rendering and such.
AJ: I generally find that I don’t need these apps. I use Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenSSH, Quassel, KomodoEdit, and a few other apps, so my needs are not very demanding. It is annoying when packages are broken, but I usually work around this with boot environments, and being able to just roll back to a version that worked for a few days until the problem is solved. I do still have access to a windows machine for the odd time I need specific VPN software or access to Dell/HP etc out-of-band management tools.
JT: As a Lumina Desktop developer, I think my preference is obvious. ;) I am also a long
BR: I use Fluxbox when I need to work with a lot of windows or an application demands X11. KDE and others are too memory heavy for me and I rarely use even 20% of the features they provide.
BR: I use zsh, but without all the fancy stuff you can find online. It might make you more productive, yes. But again, I try to keep things simple. I’m slowly learning tmux and want to work more in it in the future. I sometimes look at other BSD people’s laptops and am amazed at what they do with window-management in tmux. My prompt looks like this:
AJ: I started using tcsh early on, because it was the shell on the first box I had access to, and because one of the first things I read in “BSD Hacks” was how to enable ‘typo correction”, which made my life a lot better especially on dial up in the early days. My shell prompt looks like this: allan@CA-TOR1-02:/usr/home/allan%
JT: AUFS from Linux
BR: Nohup from Illumos where you can detach an already running process and put it in the background. I often forget that and I’m not in tmux when that happens, so I can see myself use that feature a lot.
AJ: Zones (more complete Jails) from IllumOS
JT: These days I’m mostly learning things I need for work, so it just falls into something I’m doing while working on work projects.
BR: We have a lot of time during the semester holidays to learn on our own, it’s part of the idea of being in a university to keep yourself updated, at least for me. Especially in the fast moving world of IT. I also read a lot in my free time. My interests can shift sometimes, but then I devour everything I can find on the topic. Can be a bit excessive, but has gotten me where I am now and I still need a lot to learn (and want to). Since I work with FreeBSD at work (my owndoing), I can try out many things there.
AJ: My work means a spend a lot of time working with FreeBSD, but not that much time working ON it. My contributions are mostly done outside of work, but as I own the company I do get more flexibility to take time off for conferences and other FreeBSD related stuff.
BR: Desserts of various kinds.
AJ: I am probably not the right person to look at your rock64 board. Most people in the project have taken to bribing me with chocolate. In general, my todo list is so long, the best way is a trade, you take this task and I’ll take that task.
JT: These days I’m using Android on my Blackberry Priv, but until recently I was still a heavy user of Sailfish OS. I would use SailfishOS everyday, if I could find a phone with a keyboard that I could run it on.
BR: iOS on the iPhone 7 currently. Never used an Android phone, saw it on other people’s devices and what they can do with it (much more). But the infrequent security updates (if any at all) keep me away from it.
AJ: I have a Google Nexus 6 (Android 7.1). I wanted the ‘pure’ Android experience, and I had been happy with my previous Nexus S. I don’t run a custom OS/ROM or anything because I use the phone to verify that video streams work on an ‘average users device’. I am displeased that support for my device will end soon. I am not sure what device I will get next, but it definitely won’t be an iPhone.
The site has been given a less antiquated "look". (As the topic icons have been eliminated, we are no longer seeking help with those graphics.)
As before, constructive feedback would be appreciated. Of particular interest are reports of bugs in behaviour (for example, in the HTML validator or in authentication) that would preclude the adoption of the current code for the main site.
We've fixed a number of bottlenecks that can develop when the number of user processes runs into the tens of thousands or higher. One thing led to another and I said to myself, "gee, we have a 6-digit PID, might as well make it work to a million!". With the commits made today, master can support at least 900,000 processes with just a kern.maxproc setting in

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