Kelly Thiel - a former member of the NXIVM cult - joins me and former scientologist Aaron Smith-Levin to discuss the similarities between the two cults. 

Kelly Thiel links:

https://kellythielbook.com

https://www.instagram.com/thekellythiel

Aaron Smith-Levin links:

https://www.youtube.com/c/GrowingUpInScientology

https://twitter.com/GrowingupinSCN

Andrew Gold links:

http://youtube.com/andrewgold1

http://instagram.com/andrewgold_ok

http://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok

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