After the podcast ends, we usually do a little "after show" segment following the music.

Community members enjoy an additional live bonus segment called the "after after show". It's typically more laid back and low-key.

The recording you're about to hear came from an "after after show" conversation that went long. It went nearly 30 minutes. We weren't originally planning on releasing it publicly, but it was such a deep conversation that I really wanted to share it.

It's about taking a step back. In this off-the-record conversation, I get real with Ben about the challenges of producing as much content as we do. It was right before I was about to take a sabbatical week and you can tell I really need one.

I conjectured about what I might be able to accomplish if I stopped doing all of my shows and newsletters. If I stopped podcasting and publishing daily videos, what might I be able to do? It's not so much that I want to stop, in fact I really enjoy the work, but more that I'm not sure I've had the chance to take a big enough step back to evaluate what it might look like.

I talk about the possibility of taking a whole month sabbatical instead of just a week every seven weeks. Ben and I discuss my plans to take a full year sabbatical in 2020.

The conversation delves deeper into the meaning behind satisfaction, contentment, and fulfillment. I wonder how much of my efforts should be allocated to accomplishing my 5 and 10 year goals and how much should be dedicated to the short term.

I hope you enjoy this behind-the-scenes episodes.