Rich and Josh discuss perfectionism, skills for mixing, Elliott Smith in a basement, taking off your top, punk approaches, Flavour of Love, salads of gold, getting completely naked, identity, staple points of a day, cultural divides, open windows, silhouettes, freckles, privacy, professional segues, complicated things, not feeling cohesive, meaning the opposite, celebrities in Canadian music, free CDs, token friendships, the Creator, lack of pop culture knowledge, Tenacious D, the clean and rounded sound, complicated relationships with country music, being a horrible person with terrible reactions, and Neil Young's Freedom.

Next time: Ragged Glory