We (David and TJ) are Side B, and we care about engaging people across differences. Last year we interviewed three Side A folks from different perspectives:

#12 - JP’s Story: Moving Away from Side B#13 - Ordained, Gay, and Seeking Liberation: A Chat with Rev. Tyler Sit#17 - Giacomo Sanfilippo on the Asceticism of Same-Sex Love

In January, we got the chance to sit down together and reflect on those three interviews. We anticipate continued conversations with Side A friends, and we don’t want this to be the end of the discussion—please join us as we continue it!

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Note: This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” (and X, Y) as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out Communion & Shalom episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: ⁠#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality⁠

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Timestamps

(0:32) Context: What did we learn, and what similarities and differences do we see?

(11:38) JP: on singleness in Side X

(14:41) JP: on why he left Side B

(21:22) JP: on celibate partnerships

(24:49) Tyler Sit: on purity culture, empire, and liberation

(37:17) Tyler Sit: on which cross we should bear

(43:22) Giacomo Sanfilippo: on human and divine eros

(47:43) Giacomo Sanfilippo: on moralism vs asceticism

(1:00:19) David and TJ: final thoughts (for now)

Links and References
“Bill Nye Unweaves the Rainbow—and Undersells Science” by Leah Libresco Sargeant (May 2017) https://leahlibresco.com/bill-nye-unweaves-the-rainbow-and-undersells-science/

“Designing Woman“ by Leah Libresco Sargeant (Sept. 2022) https://comment.org/designing-woman/

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Note: This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” (and X, Y) as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, we recommend one of these resources as an overview:

• Our Communion & Shalom episode #3 talks through the 4 main “sides.” #3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality


• This article from Life on Side B gives a good quick summary. https://www.lifeonsideb.com/thefoursides

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Credits

Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza

Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson (www.carlswensonmusic.com)

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