Shawna throws out her usual podcast format to chat with drummer, activist, and lyricist Katy Otto on the heels of her celebrating 25 years of running her record label, Exotic Fever Records. If you own a copy of War On Women’s “Improvised Weapons,” you have an EXF release! They talk writing process, the things we’re working on (personally and musically), dads of daughters, Heart, Rosanne Cash, the Geffen Lollapalooza, the intimacy of co-writing lyrics, a little light misandry towards powerful men, being great at something you don’t feel like doing, becoming feminist because you survived being a teenage girl, and making bell hooks a mix tape.

Also: Salt-n-Pepa, punk recipes, Euro punks, the military budget, Landis Expandis, a Fugazi in every town, record players, and our Bikini Kill cover band, Rah Rah Replica.

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This episode is sponsored by Pupcakes and Pawstries and Ronnie of Navarro Hair Design.

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Katy is on the cover of *that* Q And Not U album!! Read about it here: https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/430176/beep-happening-how-q-and-not-u-made-a-classic-album-and-its-cover/

Exotic Fever Records - exoticfever.com

Bald Rapunzel -  https://baldrapunzel.bandcamp.com/

Del Cielo - https://delcielodc.bandcamp.com/album/us-vs-them

Trophy Wife - https://trophywifetheband.bandcamp.com/

Sun Within -  https://www.instagram.com/sunwithinband

whitepicketfence - https://whitepicketfencedc.bandcamp.com/track/how

Rah Rah Replica’s first show! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmDqaMaT2ZU

Men Can Stop Rape - https://mcsr.org/

HIPS - https://www.hips.org/

Improvised Weapons link: https://www.exoticfever.com/artists.php?id=115

Secure Relating by Sue Marriott

Nonviolent Communication by Rosenberg

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

EURO TOUR INFO: destiny-tourbooking.com