Shawna chats with Yadee Araniva, the singer for Ratas En Zelo, about the hypocrisy of religion, fearing the devil, fearing ICE, but also the balance of all things, feeling joy, and embracing cringe. Listen in and get to know this cool NYC band!

SHOW LINKS:

https://www.instagram.com/ratasenzelo/

https://linktr.ee/ratasenzelo

Know your rights when it comes to ICE:

https://immigrantjustice.org/for-immigrants/know-your-rights/ice-encounter/

https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/wp-content/uploads/Home-Raid-booklet-ENG.pdf

Honorable mentions:

Cake Like 

Downtown Boys

La Neve

2 Minutos

piperrak

Non servium

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

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EURO TOUR INFO: destiny-tourbooking.com

Shawna throws out her usual podcast format to chat with drummer, activist, and lyricist Katy Otto on the heels of her celebrating 25 years of running her record label, Exotic Fever Records. If you own a copy of War On Women’s “Improvised Weapons,” you have an EXF release! They talk writing process, the things we’re working on (personally and musically), dads of daughters, Heart, Rosanne Cash, the Geffen Lollapalooza, the intimacy of co-writing lyrics, a little light misandry towards powerful men, being great at something you don’t feel like doing, becoming feminist because you survived being a teenage girl, and making bell hooks a mix tape.

Also: Salt-n-Pepa, punk recipes, Euro punks, the military budget, Landis Expandis, a Fugazi in every town, record players, and our Bikini Kill cover band, Rah Rah Replica.

Patron-only bonus moment available exclusively on Patreon, so sign up to catch that and other cool stuff from Shawna!

This episode is sponsored by Pupcakes and Pawstries and Ronnie of Navarro Hair Design.

SHOW LINKS:

Katy is on the cover of *that* Q And Not U album!! Read about it here: https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/430176/beep-happening-how-q-and-not-u-made-a-classic-album-and-its-cover/

Exotic Fever Records - exoticfever.com

Bald Rapunzel -  https://baldrapunzel.bandcamp.com/

Del Cielo - https://delcielodc.bandcamp.com/album/us-vs-them

Trophy Wife - https://trophywifetheband.bandcamp.com/

Sun Within -  https://www.instagram.com/sunwithinband

whitepicketfence - https://whitepicketfencedc.bandcamp.com/track/how

Rah Rah Replica’s first show! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmDqaMaT2ZU

Men Can Stop Rape - https://mcsr.org/

HIPS - https://www.hips.org/

Improvised Weapons link: https://www.exoticfever.com/artists.php?id=115

Secure Relating by Sue Marriott

Nonviolent Communication by Rosenberg

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

EURO TOUR INFO: destiny-tourbooking.com

This one is for the prog-rock girlies! The business of being in 2 bands. Is it Boise or Boy-see? Finding bandmates as an adult woman. Getting unglued to our phones. Passive vs Active participation in our lives. Are we post- post-riot girl yet?

Honorable mentions:

Failure

Shiner

Earth

The French Tips

The Breeders “Do ya love me now?”

SHOW LINKS:

“Perfect Too” music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWnffTaMm8

Bloodlemonmusic.com

Builttospill.com

Finn Riggins

Treefort Music Fest 

Marshall Poole

Mostly Muff

Purring Mantis

Tea Day Blogs (@teadayblogs)

The Prids

Social Change Now book: https://www.deepaiyer.com/home/social-change-now

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

After being interviewed by Christina Rowatt for her mental health podcast Occupy the Void, host Shawna turned the tables and interviewed her for But Her Lyrics! An enjoyable chat about what it’s like to be a woman in journalism and podcasting, her favorite interview moments, and how a love of language has led her life.

Also: Rosie barking, the Extra Extra jingle, having a face for TV, passionate metal fans that also love Rihanna, how lyrics affect us emotionally, men and men-tal health, Shawna is not an expert in anything, “it’s all cabaret”, creative process, art does not have to be made for public consumption, and can the internet help us find female cinematographers in australia???

SHOW LINKS:

Her War is Our War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9JU7ECTdXc

Occupy the Void: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/occupy-the-void-with-xtina/id1733957293

Revolver Fan First podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLANorT3Y7McP3s6W82Ucxz_LQZtSrbuIi

Insta: https://www.instagram.com/xtina_rowatt/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheVoidwithChristina

Soundgarden “Fell on Black Days” - I like the music video version better than the album version, so here you go:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySzrJ4GRF7s&list=RDySzrJ4GRF7s&index=1

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

In this episode of But Her Lyrics, host Shawna speaks to Caithlin De Marrais, bassist and co-singer and -lyricist for 2nd wave emo band, Rainer Maria. On Thanksgiving morning they dove deep into an early song “Rain Yr Hand,” about how accessing all ages music making spaces is fundamental to our development. Overall themes? Reflection, hindsight, growth, and community.

There will be a Patreon-exclusive bonus clip where they discuss what thanksgiving brings to mind, how the War On Women song "This Stolen Land" applies to it, and more.

Also in this episode: shoutout to Rocketown in Franklin, TN (rip), kids needing a place to go to make good trouble, extreme accessibility, anyone can play music, imposter syndrome or authenticity?, diversity is our survival, the hindsight of a reunion 20 years later, a chance to reflect, confronting our fear, and guess what - emo’s big now!

SHOW LINKS:

https://rainermaria.bandcamp.com/

https://www.instagram.com/rainermariamusic

Skeletal Lightning -- https://skeletallightning.com/

CAITHLIN DE MARRAIS NEW ALBUM, 'LEARNING TO LIVE WITH FIRE', OUT MARCH 2025!

Sounds of Saving (SOS) -- https://www.soundsofsaving.org/

We’re a music and mental health nonprofit that designs and provides tools, content, resources, and curriculum to young people, ages 14 to 24, on how to discover and utilize music to support their mental health and wellness.

Just Accessible Music (JAM) -- https://www.justaccessiblemusic.com/

Making music accessible to people of all ages and abilities. 

Figurenotes -- https://figurenotes.org/

Figurenotes was created at the Resonaari school in Finland by music educators Kaarlo Uusitalo and Markku Kaikkonen. Initially designed to enable those with learning disabilities to play music, it has since developed into a tool to help anybody get started. 

Very intuitive to those with Autism Spectrum Disorder.

But Her Lyrics This Stolen Land episode (mentioned in Patreon-exclusive bonus clip of this interview) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-stolen-land-pt-1-004/id1538652998?i=1000512385785

Kaia’s response to why we use YR instead of YOUR: “Kaia said it was slang we often used in written notes at the time. According to t’internet it originated with the Beat generation (we were definitely reading poetry at the time) and was later repopularized in the indie rock world circa 1980s by Sonic Youth.”

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

Join host Shawna as she speaks with Carina Zachary, singer and lyricist for NYC-based band Husbandry, about their song “Ghostload” from the album A Port In A Storm. They met in a punk rock parking lot and it got weirder from there. #ripthecrown

Content warning - this episode talks about gun violence and school shootings.

You'll also hear Carina speak about songwriting, taking breaks, how she got into music and what's coming up next for the band.

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS:

https://husbandryny.bandcamp.com/music

IG: @husbandrynyc

YouTube: https://youtube.com/channel/UCg_jU8D78gk4B1hRs5FXg0Q?si=H4H71BVtnhx_xC7N

https://www.everytown.org/

http://staging.childrensdefense.org/policy/policy-priorities/gun-violence-prevention/

War On Women Audiotree - https://youtu.be/SSxGUO3W9rE?feature=shared

12 O’Clock Boys - https://www.npr.org/2014/01/26/265362077/take-a-ride-with-baltimores-renegade-bikers-the-12-oclock-boys

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

In this very special episode, host Shawna Potter chats with her former bandmates from the late 90s/early 00s Nashville indie band, Fair Verona. An old, unlabeled mp3 of the FV song “The Downfall of a Well-Known Actress” found its way onto the Lostwave message boards and with some great detective work, this online community found where the song came from and were pleasantly surprised to find out we’re all still playing music. This conversation dives deep into the origins of the band with Beth Cameron and Leah Bergman, and Lostwave member, Tom Stratton, asks questions and gives context. Listen to find out what Lostwave is, how often do these mp3 mysteries get solved, the weird times of 90s indie cred vs selling out, the lack of fellow girls that played guitar (even in Nashville), harassing Mary Timony, and what the hell is “The Downfall of a Well-Known Actress” about anyway?

Tom Stratton's band: (https://www.youtube.com/@YouthDeathClub)

Host Shawna Potter talks to Linh Le of Bad Cop Bad Cop as they dig into their song “Safe and Legal.” She’s later joined by Amelia Bonow, co-founder of Shout Your Abortion. There’s a lot of talk about the importance of story-sharing, as well as: the hardship of finding a real bathroom at warped tour, instruments as a shield, old footage of dance recitals, being both a gymnast and a rockabilly, moving to the west coast, laughing a lot, never wearing pants, gender is not a genre.

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS:

https://badcopbadcopmusic.com/

Original bass players band, Jen Carlson?

https://www.thesidewalkproject.org/

https://www.bassistagainstracist.com/

“Simple Girl” video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOxO3-xI8Q

“Safe and Legal” video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REH_SpKYZUI

PlanCPills.org

ShoutYourAbortion.org

Photo of Linh: @sarahmacphotographs

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

War On Women songs about reproductive rights: Roe V. World, Pro-Life?, and Childbirth.

Host Shawna talks to Emily and Valerie, members of the Canadian rock band, The Anti-Queens. In this fast-paced interview, they talk about gear, recording this latest album (lots of gear talk for the nerds!), sexism in music, writing overtly political lyrics for the first time, Canada’s image on the world stage versus the reality, being lied to by the educational system about Indigenous history, day jobs, tearing down Justin Timberlake, and so much more.

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS:

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

Content Warning: sexual assault, child abuse, addiction, racism, and other heavy themes are discussed.

Host Shawna Potter talks to Clementine Morrigan and Jay Lesoleil, the hosts of Fucking Cancelled (two L’s because they’re Canadian), a podcast that examines all things related to cancel culture in lefty/progressive circles. In this episode, Shawna aims to learn more about their critiques and what influenced them. They talk about real life experiences with cancel culture, the effects it has on victims of violence, trauma-responses, how to best support survivors of rape, sexual assault, and abuse, and so much more. If you’re asking yourself, “What’s the big deal, aren’t call outs just a consequence of bad behavior?” you’re not alone - and they have an answer ready.

This episode does not cover every facet or nuance of responding to harm. It should be noted that most of the content centers on gender-based violence, and therefore might not sufficiently address racism and other forms of identity-based violence. There is no one right way to respond to your own abuse or assault. While public call-outs are one tool in the toolbox, the guests of this episode argue that it is an ineffective and overused one.

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS:

Clementinemorrigan.com

Jaylesoleil.com

Fucking Cancelled Podcast: https://www.fuckingcancelled.com/

We Will Not Cancel Us by adrienne maree brown  - https://www.akpress.org/we-will-not-cancel-us.html

How to Be Accountable: Take Responsibility to Change Your Behavior, Boundaries, and Relationships by Joe Biel Author and Dr. Faith G. Harper -  https://microcosmpublishing.com/catalog/books/3295

Imperfect Victims Criminalized Survivors and the Promise of Abolition Feminism by Leigh Goodmark  - https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520391123/imperfect-victims

Fumbling Towards Repair by Mariame Kaba and Shira Hassan - https://www.akpress.org/fumbling-towards-repair.html

Creative Interventions Toolkit - https://www.creative-interventions.org/toolkit/

BUT HER LYRICS PRIMER EPISODES:

SkyDxddy “7 Years” - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/7-Years-with-SkyDxddy---033-e2h08en

Palehound/TurnAround “Killer” - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/Killer-with-Palehound--TurnAround---024-e1v190v/a-a9bejof

Sarah Schulman, author of Conflict is not Abuse - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/Sarah-Schulman--author-of-Conflict-is-Not-Abuse---018-e1kkji9/a-a86hcid

Hannah Brancato (FORCE/The Monument Quilt) on War On Women’s “Say It” - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/Say-It-with-Hannah-Brancato---017-e1h8q6t/a-a7ougv2

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen