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TWO lead singers?? Natasha Gray and Becky Fontaine join Shawna to discuss their song, “Body Count.” Also: balancing the dark and the light, getting treats for answering questions, (not) being punk enough, how there’s no one way to be in a band, and more. I heard a songwriting story about Sonic Youth once - no idea if it’s true. KIM GORDON CAN YOU CONFIRM??

SHOW LINKS:

If you or someone you know needs help: https://humantraffickinghotline.org/en/get-help

Iron Roses new album is out now!

Body count music video with wow shirt: https://youtu.be/7_VJ7TZ4TMA?is=VclQlLK1VGvE6QQs

IG & FB /// @theironroses

Spotify /// https://bit.ly/4u1Ug9W

Linktr.ee /// https://linktr.ee/theironroses 

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

NEW WAR ON WOMEN ALBUM: https://smartpunk.com/collections/war-on-women

The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course

Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen 

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

Shawna chats with Lindsey Cox, the singer of Oklahoma-based art pop band, Stepmom about their song “Survival Mode.” They discuss: the nightmare of being on hold, a musician that does art or an artist that plays music?, having a singular vision, spirituality, the Trap Stepmom, a hyper femme mirror, getting off the hamster wheel, created while clear, and more. 

SHOW LINKS:

https://stepmomband.com/

https://www.factoryobscura.com/

https://www.kosu.org/show/lindseys-lounge

https://decisivepink.bandcamp.com/music

https://www.palehound.com/

https://www.patreon.com/stepmomband

Soccer Mommy, Husbands, and a different Stepmom

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

NEW WAR ON WOMEN ALBUM: https://smartpunk.com/collections/war-on-women

The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course

Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen 

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

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It’s Shawna Summer! Shawna chats with Abbey Carbonneau of the org Book More Women

They discuss: “Waterfalls” by TLC, needing numbers and visuals, the power to make headliners, admiration for people that work at festivals, systems thinking and points of leverage (what?), including artists about the things that affect them, what’s a non-corporate phrase for “on the ground”? Why has gender equity in live music plateaued? Balancing data and real people’s stories, and basic photoshop skills (in the Patreon-exclusive Bonus Moment!)

FFO: non-profit nerdery, women in music, data, cameo’s from Rosie.

SHOW LINKS:

Book More Women - bookmorewomen.com

Insta @bookmorewomen 

Measured: the Book More Women podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/1CEnTkDGlvqhnpAvXICk1k

SHAWNA’S LINKS

shawnapotter.com

NEW WAR ON WOMEN ALBUM: https://smartpunk.com/collections/war-on-women

The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course

Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen 

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

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Shawna chats with Natalie Jurosky, the musician and leader of Scranton Girls Rock that helped Shawna create the online course version of her Safer Space Program. They talk about different learning styles, how talking is musical, bringing music into learning, whatever you want to do there’s a way to do it safely, and can you market this?

This course is for bands, venues, small businesses, small hobby groups, anywhere you gather, students, faculty, people that host parties, and basically anyone that cares!

SHOW LINKS:

Charles Wiegel at AK Press

The V Spot in Scranton: https://www.vspotbar.com/

ScrantonGirlsRock.org

Music to Life: https://www.musictolife.org/

Loud Ladies

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course

Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen 

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

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Shawna chats with Elise Okusami of the band Oceanator about the value of storytelling and not waiting for a big hero to save us through their song, “Lullaby.” Also? The pitterpatter of Rosie’s paws on the floor (and scratching and shaking and just generally making sound), Oceanator as a family affair, what we’re like to tour with, and who else lists Dookie as their first punk record?

SHOW LINKS:

Oceanator on Bandcamp: https://oceanator.bandcamp.com/track/lullaby-2

Oceanator on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cw/oceanator

WAR ON WOMEN/Oceanator tour info: linktr.ee/waronwomen 

Music to Life: https://www.musictolife.org/

Mood Machine book - Liz Pelly: https://booksaremagic.net/item/gQpiPqSJBXgQuxapRjFf2Q/lists/L6k6O686GxwY/

ABIYOYO book - Pete Seeger: https://mpt.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/abiyoyo-video/reading-rainbow-stories/

Anansi the spider: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anansi

Baba Yaga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Yaga

Freedom Sounds album: https://folklife.si.edu/magazine/freedom-sounds-from-smithsonian-folkways

Pears: https://pearstheband.bandcamp.com/album/pears

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course

Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen 

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

Shawna chats with Yadee Araniva, the singer for Ratas En Zelo, about the hypocrisy of religion, fearing the devil, fearing ICE, but also the balance of all things, feeling joy, and embracing cringe. Listen in and get to know this cool NYC band!

SHOW LINKS:

https://www.instagram.com/ratasenzelo/

https://linktr.ee/ratasenzelo

Know your rights when it comes to ICE:

https://immigrantjustice.org/for-immigrants/know-your-rights/ice-encounter/

https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/wp-content/uploads/Home-Raid-booklet-ENG.pdf

Honorable mentions:

Cake Like 

Downtown Boys

La Neve

2 Minutos

piperrak

Non servium

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

EURO TOUR INFO: destiny-tourbooking.com

Shawna throws out her usual podcast format to chat with drummer, activist, and lyricist Katy Otto on the heels of her celebrating 25 years of running her record label, Exotic Fever Records. If you own a copy of War On Women’s “Improvised Weapons,” you have an EXF release! They talk writing process, the things we’re working on (personally and musically), dads of daughters, Heart, Rosanne Cash, the Geffen Lollapalooza, the intimacy of co-writing lyrics, a little light misandry towards powerful men, being great at something you don’t feel like doing, becoming feminist because you survived being a teenage girl, and making bell hooks a mix tape.

Also: Salt-n-Pepa, punk recipes, Euro punks, the military budget, Landis Expandis, a Fugazi in every town, record players, and our Bikini Kill cover band, Rah Rah Replica.

Patron-only bonus moment available exclusively on Patreon, so sign up to catch that and other cool stuff from Shawna!

This episode is sponsored by Pupcakes and Pawstries and Ronnie of Navarro Hair Design.

SHOW LINKS:

Katy is on the cover of *that* Q And Not U album!! Read about it here: https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/430176/beep-happening-how-q-and-not-u-made-a-classic-album-and-its-cover/

Exotic Fever Records - exoticfever.com

Bald Rapunzel -  https://baldrapunzel.bandcamp.com/

Del Cielo - https://delcielodc.bandcamp.com/album/us-vs-them

Trophy Wife - https://trophywifetheband.bandcamp.com/

Sun Within -  https://www.instagram.com/sunwithinband

whitepicketfence - https://whitepicketfencedc.bandcamp.com/track/how

Rah Rah Replica’s first show! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmDqaMaT2ZU

Men Can Stop Rape - https://mcsr.org/

HIPS - https://www.hips.org/

Improvised Weapons link: https://www.exoticfever.com/artists.php?id=115

Secure Relating by Sue Marriott

Nonviolent Communication by Rosenberg

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

EURO TOUR INFO: destiny-tourbooking.com

This one is for the prog-rock girlies! The business of being in 2 bands. Is it Boise or Boy-see? Finding bandmates as an adult woman. Getting unglued to our phones. Passive vs Active participation in our lives. Are we post- post-riot girl yet?

Honorable mentions:

Failure

Shiner

Earth

The French Tips

The Breeders “Do ya love me now?”

SHOW LINKS:

“Perfect Too” music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWnffTaMm8

Bloodlemonmusic.com

Builttospill.com

Finn Riggins

Treefort Music Fest 

Marshall Poole

Mostly Muff

Purring Mantis

Tea Day Blogs (@teadayblogs)

The Prids

Social Change Now book: https://www.deepaiyer.com/home/social-change-now

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

After being interviewed by Christina Rowatt for her mental health podcast Occupy the Void, host Shawna turned the tables and interviewed her for But Her Lyrics! An enjoyable chat about what it’s like to be a woman in journalism and podcasting, her favorite interview moments, and how a love of language has led her life.

Also: Rosie barking, the Extra Extra jingle, having a face for TV, passionate metal fans that also love Rihanna, how lyrics affect us emotionally, men and men-tal health, Shawna is not an expert in anything, “it’s all cabaret”, creative process, art does not have to be made for public consumption, and can the internet help us find female cinematographers in australia???

SHOW LINKS:

Her War is Our War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9JU7ECTdXc

Occupy the Void: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/occupy-the-void-with-xtina/id1733957293

Revolver Fan First podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLANorT3Y7McP3s6W82Ucxz_LQZtSrbuIi

Insta: https://www.instagram.com/xtina_rowatt/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheVoidwithChristina

Soundgarden “Fell on Black Days” - I like the music video version better than the album version, so here you go:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySzrJ4GRF7s&list=RDySzrJ4GRF7s&index=1

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

In this episode of But Her Lyrics, host Shawna speaks to Caithlin De Marrais, bassist and co-singer and -lyricist for 2nd wave emo band, Rainer Maria. On Thanksgiving morning they dove deep into an early song “Rain Yr Hand,” about how accessing all ages music making spaces is fundamental to our development. Overall themes? Reflection, hindsight, growth, and community.

There will be a Patreon-exclusive bonus clip where they discuss what thanksgiving brings to mind, how the War On Women song "This Stolen Land" applies to it, and more.

Also in this episode: shoutout to Rocketown in Franklin, TN (rip), kids needing a place to go to make good trouble, extreme accessibility, anyone can play music, imposter syndrome or authenticity?, diversity is our survival, the hindsight of a reunion 20 years later, a chance to reflect, confronting our fear, and guess what - emo’s big now!

SHOW LINKS:

https://rainermaria.bandcamp.com/

https://www.instagram.com/rainermariamusic

Skeletal Lightning -- https://skeletallightning.com/

CAITHLIN DE MARRAIS NEW ALBUM, 'LEARNING TO LIVE WITH FIRE', OUT MARCH 2025!

Sounds of Saving (SOS) -- https://www.soundsofsaving.org/

We’re a music and mental health nonprofit that designs and provides tools, content, resources, and curriculum to young people, ages 14 to 24, on how to discover and utilize music to support their mental health and wellness.

Just Accessible Music (JAM) -- https://www.justaccessiblemusic.com/

Making music accessible to people of all ages and abilities. 

Figurenotes -- https://figurenotes.org/

Figurenotes was created at the Resonaari school in Finland by music educators Kaarlo Uusitalo and Markku Kaikkonen. Initially designed to enable those with learning disabilities to play music, it has since developed into a tool to help anybody get started. 

Very intuitive to those with Autism Spectrum Disorder.

But Her Lyrics This Stolen Land episode (mentioned in Patreon-exclusive bonus clip of this interview) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-stolen-land-pt-1-004/id1538652998?i=1000512385785

Kaia’s response to why we use YR instead of YOUR: “Kaia said it was slang we often used in written notes at the time. According to t’internet it originated with the Beat generation (we were definitely reading poetry at the time) and was later repopularized in the indie rock world circa 1980s by Sonic Youth.”

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen