In this episode of But Her Lyrics, host Shawna speaks to Caithlin De Marrais, bassist and co-singer and -lyricist for 2nd wave emo band, Rainer Maria. On Thanksgiving morning they dove deep into an early song “Rain Yr Hand,” about how accessing all ages music making spaces is fundamental to our development. Overall themes? Reflection, hindsight, growth, and community.

There will be a Patreon-exclusive bonus clip where they discuss what thanksgiving brings to mind, how the War On Women song "This Stolen Land" applies to it, and more.

Also in this episode: shoutout to Rocketown in Franklin, TN (rip), kids needing a place to go to make good trouble, extreme accessibility, anyone can play music, imposter syndrome or authenticity?, diversity is our survival, the hindsight of a reunion 20 years later, a chance to reflect, confronting our fear, and guess what - emo’s big now!

SHOW LINKS:

https://rainermaria.bandcamp.com/

https://www.instagram.com/rainermariamusic

Skeletal Lightning -- https://skeletallightning.com/

CAITHLIN DE MARRAIS NEW ALBUM, 'LEARNING TO LIVE WITH FIRE', OUT MARCH 2025!

Sounds of Saving (SOS) -- https://www.soundsofsaving.org/

We’re a music and mental health nonprofit that designs and provides tools, content, resources, and curriculum to young people, ages 14 to 24, on how to discover and utilize music to support their mental health and wellness.

Just Accessible Music (JAM) -- https://www.justaccessiblemusic.com/

Making music accessible to people of all ages and abilities. 

Figurenotes -- https://figurenotes.org/

Figurenotes was created at the Resonaari school in Finland by music educators Kaarlo Uusitalo and Markku Kaikkonen. Initially designed to enable those with learning disabilities to play music, it has since developed into a tool to help anybody get started. 

Very intuitive to those with Autism Spectrum Disorder.

But Her Lyrics This Stolen Land episode (mentioned in Patreon-exclusive bonus clip of this interview) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-stolen-land-pt-1-004/id1538652998?i=1000512385785

Kaia’s response to why we use YR instead of YOUR: “Kaia said it was slang we often used in written notes at the time. According to t’internet it originated with the Beat generation (we were definitely reading poetry at the time) and was later repopularized in the indie rock world circa 1980s by Sonic Youth.”

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

Join host Shawna as she speaks with Carina Zachary, singer and lyricist for NYC-based band Husbandry, about their song “Ghostload” from the album A Port In A Storm. They met in a punk rock parking lot and it got weirder from there. #ripthecrown

Content warning - this episode talks about gun violence and school shootings.

You'll also hear Carina speak about songwriting, taking breaks, how she got into music and what's coming up next for the band.

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS:

https://husbandryny.bandcamp.com/music

IG: @husbandrynyc

YouTube: https://youtube.com/channel/UCg_jU8D78gk4B1hRs5FXg0Q?si=H4H71BVtnhx_xC7N

https://www.everytown.org/

http://staging.childrensdefense.org/policy/policy-priorities/gun-violence-prevention/

War On Women Audiotree - https://youtu.be/SSxGUO3W9rE?feature=shared

12 O’Clock Boys - https://www.npr.org/2014/01/26/265362077/take-a-ride-with-baltimores-renegade-bikers-the-12-oclock-boys

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

In this very special episode, host Shawna Potter chats with her former bandmates from the late 90s/early 00s Nashville indie band, Fair Verona. An old, unlabeled mp3 of the FV song “The Downfall of a Well-Known Actress” found its way onto the Lostwave message boards and with some great detective work, this online community found where the song came from and were pleasantly surprised to find out we’re all still playing music. This conversation dives deep into the origins of the band with Beth Cameron and Leah Bergman, and Lostwave member, Tom Stratton, asks questions and gives context. Listen to find out what Lostwave is, how often do these mp3 mysteries get solved, the weird times of 90s indie cred vs selling out, the lack of fellow girls that played guitar (even in Nashville), harassing Mary Timony, and what the hell is “The Downfall of a Well-Known Actress” about anyway?

Tom Stratton's band: (https://www.youtube.com/@YouthDeathClub)

Host Shawna Potter talks to Linh Le of Bad Cop Bad Cop as they dig into their song “Safe and Legal.” She’s later joined by Amelia Bonow, co-founder of Shout Your Abortion. There’s a lot of talk about the importance of story-sharing, as well as: the hardship of finding a real bathroom at warped tour, instruments as a shield, old footage of dance recitals, being both a gymnast and a rockabilly, moving to the west coast, laughing a lot, never wearing pants, gender is not a genre.

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS:

https://badcopbadcopmusic.com/

Original bass players band, Jen Carlson?

https://www.thesidewalkproject.org/

https://www.bassistagainstracist.com/

“Simple Girl” video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOxO3-xI8Q

“Safe and Legal” video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REH_SpKYZUI

PlanCPills.org

ShoutYourAbortion.org

Photo of Linh: @sarahmacphotographs

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

War On Women songs about reproductive rights: Roe V. World, Pro-Life?, and Childbirth.

Host Shawna talks to Emily and Valerie, members of the Canadian rock band, The Anti-Queens. In this fast-paced interview, they talk about gear, recording this latest album (lots of gear talk for the nerds!), sexism in music, writing overtly political lyrics for the first time, Canada’s image on the world stage versus the reality, being lied to by the educational system about Indigenous history, day jobs, tearing down Justin Timberlake, and so much more.

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS:

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

Content Warning: sexual assault, child abuse, addiction, racism, and other heavy themes are discussed.

Host Shawna Potter talks to Clementine Morrigan and Jay Lesoleil, the hosts of Fucking Cancelled (two L’s because they’re Canadian), a podcast that examines all things related to cancel culture in lefty/progressive circles. In this episode, Shawna aims to learn more about their critiques and what influenced them. They talk about real life experiences with cancel culture, the effects it has on victims of violence, trauma-responses, how to best support survivors of rape, sexual assault, and abuse, and so much more. If you’re asking yourself, “What’s the big deal, aren’t call outs just a consequence of bad behavior?” you’re not alone - and they have an answer ready.

This episode does not cover every facet or nuance of responding to harm. It should be noted that most of the content centers on gender-based violence, and therefore might not sufficiently address racism and other forms of identity-based violence. There is no one right way to respond to your own abuse or assault. While public call-outs are one tool in the toolbox, the guests of this episode argue that it is an ineffective and overused one.

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS:

Clementinemorrigan.com

Jaylesoleil.com

Fucking Cancelled Podcast: https://www.fuckingcancelled.com/

We Will Not Cancel Us by adrienne maree brown  - https://www.akpress.org/we-will-not-cancel-us.html

How to Be Accountable: Take Responsibility to Change Your Behavior, Boundaries, and Relationships by Joe Biel Author and Dr. Faith G. Harper -  https://microcosmpublishing.com/catalog/books/3295

Imperfect Victims Criminalized Survivors and the Promise of Abolition Feminism by Leigh Goodmark  - https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520391123/imperfect-victims

Fumbling Towards Repair by Mariame Kaba and Shira Hassan - https://www.akpress.org/fumbling-towards-repair.html

Creative Interventions Toolkit - https://www.creative-interventions.org/toolkit/

BUT HER LYRICS PRIMER EPISODES:

SkyDxddy “7 Years” - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/7-Years-with-SkyDxddy---033-e2h08en

Palehound/TurnAround “Killer” - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/Killer-with-Palehound--TurnAround---024-e1v190v/a-a9bejof

Sarah Schulman, author of Conflict is not Abuse - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/Sarah-Schulman--author-of-Conflict-is-Not-Abuse---018-e1kkji9/a-a86hcid

Hannah Brancato (FORCE/The Monument Quilt) on War On Women’s “Say It” - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/Say-It-with-Hannah-Brancato---017-e1h8q6t/a-a7ougv2

SHAWNA’S LINKS:

shawnapotter.com

Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html

https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow

linktr.ee/waronwomen

Host Shawna Potter talks to SkyDxddy about her song, “7 Years.” They also discuss capital T Trauma, social media’s effect on victim blaming, asking for the help you need, deciding whether to throw bricks or start writing music. You’ll hear a cute little dog whimper, and lots of talk about sexual assault, and the mental health effects that can come with it, like anxiety and depression, and learn some grounding techniques if you’re feeling anxious or activated. It’s a beautiful, raw discussion not to be missed.

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS:

“7 Years” official video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3mHhgy2L00

Grounding Techniques:

Frozen orange - https://elm.umaryland.edu/elm-stories/Elm-Stories-Content/Stress-Management-During-the-COVID-19-Pandemic.php

Box breathing - https://www.webmd.com/balance/what-is-box-breathing

101 different techniques - https://www.beautyafterbruises.org/blog/grounding101

The Body Keeps the Score - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Body_Keeps_the_Score

Skydxddymusic on all socials

If you’re looking to understand addiction more, help yourself, or help someone in your life, this is a must-listen!

Host Shawna speaks to creator of the Drunk Punk Recovery program, Tim Spock, while he serves out a 15 year sentence in a correctional facility. They talk about how his zines found (and affected) Shawna, prison life, how religious overtones can turn people off from help, the brain chemistry of addiction, elements that make addiction programs work, harm reduction, and so much more. As we head into the holidays, this might be really timely for folks who are facing addiction-related struggles internally or externally.

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS/RESOURCES

Write to Tim via snail mail:

Tim Spock #A633757

2500 South Avon-Belden Road Grafton OH 44044 

Or email [email protected] and his friend will pass along your message.

Find him on Instagram @drunkpunkrecovery

The writings of Tim Spock: https://microcosmpublishing.com/catalog/artist/tim-spock/

Shawna in Razorcake (Tim was not published after all): https://razorcake.org/razorcake-121-featuring-obnox-shawna-potter-max-ward-jenelle-hessig-and-how-punk-saved-belfast/

Prison to pamphlet series: https://microcosmpublishing.com/catalog/?subject=prison-to-pamphlet

The article he mentions: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/08/14/we-cant-afford-to-ignore-drug-addiction-in-prison/

https://projectwhitebutterfly.org/

https://www.thesidewalkproject.org/

Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration: https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/national-helpline

Recovery Dharma: Using Buddhist Practices and Principles to Recover from Addiction: https://recoverydharma.org/

Host Shawna talks to Maya and Sei of the Montreal (by way of Japan) surf rock band TEKE::TEKE about their song “Garakuta,” which details how all the used and disposable items we create will one day rise up and take over. We also discuss the desire to create a visual world through music, starting out as a cover band, who is considered disposable, and how much more trash there is in North America. How many Barbies have you found in the ocean?

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS

The new TEKE::TEKE album - https://pocp.co/hagata

TEKE::TEKE Live on KEXP at Home -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej0LV6MCteo

https://www.teketekeband.com/

Takeshi Terauchi - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEwndMqFLcY

TEKE::TEKE covering 'Chidori' by Takeshi Terauchi & The Blue Jeans - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7z1CE-WaG0

https://www.annavanvalin.com

Host Shawna talks to Sadie Dupuis (of Speedy Ortiz, Sad13, etc) about her start as a musician, singing in a children’s choir, songwriting, how that differs from writing poetry, surviving on tour, and her dogs. What’s your favorite flora and fauna? And don’t say van mushrooms, that’s already taken. Full version with bonus story available only at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order.

Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter.

Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki. 

SPONSOR LINKS: 

https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/

https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/

SHOW LINKS/MENTIONS:

For all of Sadie’s music, poetry, writings, events, and more: sadiedupuis.com

Sad13 - WTD? [lyric video]: https://youtu.be/V5w-FmybU8k

Find her on Instagram and Twitter @sad13   

No books or activist recommendations, because she’s busy on tour! Will update if that changes!

Author Eve Babitz

Jia Tolentino - Trick Mirror

ZE Records: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZE_Records

“Basement Queens” - a song by LIZZO + Sad13!!?!: https://youtu.be/w_rT2VMCz1o