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254 Jason and Steve - The Hidden Driver of Leadership Excellence


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Be ready to transform the way you think and lead! Let’s uncover the hidden power of mindset as the true driver of leadership excellence and breakthrough growth. Explore why mindset matters more than skillset, how self-care fuels performance, and the science-backed ways to reshape your thinking for success. Discover the power of curiosity in challenging assumptions, the impact of the iceberg model on behavior, and why being precedes doing so in the journey to personal and professional transformation. Let’s dive into the mindset shifts that lead to lasting results!


In this episode, Jason and Steve discuss:

  • Mindset as the hidden driver of leadership excellence and growth
  • Greater importance of mindset over skillset in personal and professional success
  • Iceberg model and the impact of below-the-surface factors on actions and results
  • Role of self-care in improving mindset, performance, and goal achievement
  • Cultivating curiosity to foster a growth mindset and enable breakthroughs


Key Takeaways: 

  • Mindset holds greater weight than skillset in determining both personal and professional success, shaping one's ability to navigate challenges and achieve breakthrough growth.
  • Beneath every action and result lies a web of internal drivers—thoughts, emotions, past experiences, and deeply held beliefs—highlighting mindset as the unseen force steering visible outcomes.
  • A closer look at mindset reveals three transformative factors: the iceberg model illustrating the power of the unseen, the interplay between being and doing, and the necessity of addressing below-the-line factors to enhance outward performance.
  • Self-care emerges as a fundamental pillar of a strong mindset, reinforcing resilience, improving overall performance, and increasing the likelihood of long-term success across different professions.
  • The pursuit of curiosity is positioned as a catalyst for growth, with open-ended questions, active listening, and continuous learning serving as essential tools to challenge assumptions and unlock new possibilities.


“If we're always right about everything in our own minds, curiosity becomes virtually impossible. So, curiosity helps me know I'm not always right about everything, and it allows me to listen.”

- Steve Scanlon



Connect with Steve and Jason:

LinkedIn: Jason or Steve

Website: Rewire, Inc.: Transformed Thinking 

Email: [email protected]



Show notes by: Angelo Paul Tagama


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