I had the privilege of talking with Pastor Greg Johnson of Memorial Presbyterian, St. Louis, about conservative Christian language, discipleship, and conversion therapy. 

0:00 - Introduction
5:10 - Pastor Johnson's Introduction
9:00 - Science, Religion, and Conversion Therapy
21:30 - Why do conservative Christians fixate on conversion?
29:00 - Is language important?
34:30 - Propagandizing the Ideal or Erecting a Shibboleth
42:15 - Discipleship vs. Change
49:30 - Eudaemonism and the failing church
59:00 - Guilt vs. Shame
63:00 - Experience w/the other pole
72:50 - Plugs and closing

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