Kristina is back on 25Minutes! In this episode, we talk about how AI has changed over the past three years and what makes AI “good” or “bad” in practice. Kristina shares how companies can use AI in a responsible way and why this is more important than ever.

We explore how artificial intelligence has evolved over the past three years: What makes AI helpful or harmful? How can companies use it responsibly? And what role does human decision-making still play in an AI-driven world? Kristina explains why responsible AI isn’t just a technical topic – it’s a leadership challenge that affects us all. 

We also dive into a topic that’s shaped many conversations in 2025: the backlash against Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (DEI) and the rise of so-called cancel culture. Kristina shares her personal view as a woman in cybersecurity and tech leadership – and why she believes diverse teams are not just “nice to have,” but essential for building better, safer solutions. 

 👉 Note: I was on the road while recording, so there’s a slight echo on my side. It may sound like I’m talking over Kristina in some moments – but I promise, I wasn’t! Thanks for your understanding.

Important note: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily reflect those of any organization, employer or affiliation.

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In a world where digital threats are evolving as rapidly as the technologies designed to counter them, the intersection of cybersecurity and artificial intelligence (AI) has become a critical focus for modern enterprises. In this episode of 25Minutes, Kristina - a seasoned cybersecurity leader and Member of the Global Council for Responsible AI - shares her journey from software engineering to leading managed security services and driving global conversations around responsible AI.

This episode offers insights for digital transformation, regulatory pressure and the growing need for resilience. Kristina explains why cybersecurity is no longer just an IT concern but a core business responsibility that demands strategic attention. She offers a clear-eyed perspective on the double-edged nature of AI: how it enhances threat detection and automation, while also introducing new layers of risk when misused or misunderstood.

Kristina reflects on career milestones - from discovering her passion for security, to building high-performing teams, to mentoring future leaders through initiatives like Women4Cyber Austria. Her story highlights the importance of purpose-driven leadership, authenticity, and embracing complexity in order to lead with clarity and confidence.

 👉 Note: I was on the road while recording, so there’s a slight echo on my side. It may sound like I’m talking over Kristina in some moments – but I promise, I wasn’t! Thanks for your understanding.

Important note: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily reflect those of any organization, employer or affiliation.

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LinkedIn: https://at.linkedin.com/in/kristinajovanovska

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In this episode of 25Minutes, we share a special recording from the Petit Déjeuner de PME & Startup event series hosted by the Canton of Geneva in Switzerland, designed to deliver actionable insights from global organizations to startups and small to medium-sized businesses.

Together with Adelite, we explore the growing strategic relevance of cloud migration and cloud security. As businesses increasingly turn to the cloud again - driven by AI-driven compute demands and the need for agility - new questions arise around risk, resilience and data sovereignty. Against the backdrop of geopolitical tensions and an evolving regulatory landscape, we discuss the renewed momentum for building European alternatives to dominant US-based cloud providers like AWS, Azure and Google.

We discuss why companies are accelerating their move to the cloud, the business value they seek and the most pressing cybersecurity challenges they encounter along the way. More importantly, we highlight practical solutions and risk mitigation strategies including the role of Zero Trust Architecture in enhancing visibility, control and protection in dynamic cloud environments.

Original video recording and full rights: La securite au coeur de la transition vers le cloud | Eliel Mulumba & Adelite Uwineza Kazungu, Resp: Head of Operational Technology Security -- Cyber Awareness Specialist, EY | 01.09.2023 at 09:28 | Part of Petit dejeuner des PME et Start-up Geneve - Septembre 2023 | Geneve

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In this episode, I sit down with Lionel again to explore the evolving landscape of technology and resilience in Africa. Together, we unpack the striking differences in market value, digital growth and investment priorities when compared to Europe and the United States. Our conversation sheds light on how digital resilience is being shaped in regions where fundamental challenges like hunger and poverty still dominate policy agendas - and how digital literacy, although still uneven, is accelerating. We dive into current investment trends in more developed economies such as South Africa, the expansion of mobile broadband access and why the continent’s increasing internet user base could mark Africa as a future innovation hub.

But this isn’t just a numbers-driven discussion. Lionel shares how a simple moment - eating risotto - led him to change perspective as well as the importance of perspective in cybersecurity. We also touch on a lighter but culturally rich debate: Ghanaian vs. Nigerian Jollof rice.

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Lionel LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lionel-hapi-modje-33641ba4/

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What does it really take to build and operate an OT Security Operations Center (SOC)? In this episode of 25Minutes, I sit down again with Qusai - an expert with hands-on experience setting up OT SOCs, including his first major project in the Middle East. We explore the key differences between OT and IT incident response, the unique challenges of industrial environments and why traditional approaches often fall short. Qusai shares common mistakes companies still make, how to develop tailored use cases and playbooks and which parameters matter most when deciding between an OT SOC, IT SOC, or a hybrid model. If you're in cybersecurity, industrial operations or simply want to understand the nuances of securing operational technology environments, this episode is packed with actionable insights and lessons learned from the field.

Important note: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily reflect those of any organization, employer or affiliation. 

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LinkedIn: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/qusai-alrabei-cybersecurity

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/12/why-securing-the-ot-environment-is-important/

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In this episode of 25Minutes, I sit down with Qusai, a recognized OT Security Leader and recipient of multiple 2024 awards in the Middle East, including OT Security Leader of the Year and Excellence in Cyber Risk Management in 2024. With a background in mechatronics, hands-on experience across industries and a track record that spans academia and industry, Qusai brings a unique perspective on the evolving landscape of OT security. We dive into his early days in OT and what it takes to drive impactful security initiatives in critical infrastructure. Together, we explore why OT security requires a holistic approach, how OT protocols have changed over time and whether the Purdue model still holds up in today’s environments. Qusai also shares lessons from the Oil & Gas sector in the Middle East and how we in Europe, the U.S. and the rest of the world can learn from it. Plus, a surprising story from a recent audit involving a legacy system that refuses to be decommissioned. If you're looking to improve your OT security strategy with real-world insights, this episode will provide you with a wealth of perspective and precision - all in just 25 minutes.

Important note: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily reflect those of any organization, employer or affiliation. 

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LinkedIn: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/qusai-alrabei-cybersecurity

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/12/why-securing-the-ot-environment-is-important/

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In this episode of 25minutes, cybersecurity expert John returns to discuss the lessons he has learned over two decades in IT and OT security, focusing on the realities of risk management, leadership and the evolving threat landscape. We explore why common sense in security is often an illusion, what Zero Trust really means beyond the buzzword and how the OT security landscape has shifted with emerging threats. John shares insights on DeepSeek and AI-driven threat detection, the persistent challenges in bridging IT and OT security and why businesses must rethink their approach to cybersecurity as a strategic advantage rather than a compliance requirement. This conversation offers valuable perspectives on how to future-proof security strategies, mitigate risks before they escalate and ensure resilience in an increasingly complex digital world. 

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjkingsley/

https://industrialcyber.co/features/industrial-cybersecurity-coalitions-rise-to-meet-growing-ot-ics-cyber-threats-build-awareness-take-action/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp6F90MH48U

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ot-cybersecurity-resources-kickstart-your-learning-today-kingsley/

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After our first conversation with Adrian, a forensic expert with over 18 years of experience in financial services, where we explored how AI is transforming industries, automating processes and reshaping business strategies, we knew we had to continue the discussion. In that episode, we talked about the most impactful AI use cases, the biggest automation opportunities, and the mistakes companies make when implementing AI. Now, we’re taking things a step furthe In this second episode, we dive deep into some of the most critical and complex AI topics that will define the future. We break down Large Language Models (LLMs) - how they work, how they differ and why they are revolutionizing industries. We explore the role of reinforcement learning, its unique challenges, and how it enhances AI’s decision-making. We also discuss the concept of Chain of Thought reasoning and why it’s a game-changer in AI’s ability to process information more effectively. One of the biggest shake-ups in the AI world has been DeepSeek and we examine how it has sent shockwaves through the global AI landscape. What does it mean for businesses and how does it compare to existing models? Beyond the technology, we tackle one of the most pressing business concerns: How will AI redefine the workforce? Which jobs will change, what new skills will be required and how can leaders prepare for the shift? Finally, we take a close look at AI regulations in Switzerland, debating whether regulatory frameworks are an innovation killer or a necessary safeguard for responsible AI development.

If you found our last conversation insightful, you won’t want to miss this one. We’re going even deeper into AI’s evolution and its impact on industries, businesses and the workforce. 

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Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-ott-517759143/

https://www.moneycab.com/it/adrian-ott-chief-ai-officer-ey-schweiz-im-interview/

https://www.moneycab.com/it/neues-ey-thesenpapier-zur-kuenstlichen-intelligenz-vertrauen-wird-entscheidender-erfolgsfaktor-fuer-mensch-ki-und-die-wirtschaft/

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Ten years ago, would you have imagined companies appointing a Chief Artificial Intelligence Officer? AI is no longer a futuristic concept - it’s actively reshaping industries, automating processes and redefining business strategies. In this episode, we sit down with Adrian, a forensic expert with over 18 years of experience, specializing in forensic services for financial organizations across both the public and private sectors. We explore AI’s transformative power across industries, where it’s making the biggest impact and why Pharma is emerging as a key player in AI-driven innovation. Which AI use cases are truly effective for businesses? Where is AI proving to be the most disruptive? Adrian shares his insights on the biggest opportunities for automation, the common mistakes companies make with AI adoption- and how to fix them and how AI is revolutionizing first- and second-level service desk tasks. He also reveals his personal strategies for staying ahead in an AI-driven world, along with  recommendations for individuals and organizations looking to fully leverage AI’s potential. Plus, we uncover his personal approach to staying ahead in a world of constant AI breakthroughs - and his top recommendations for individuals and organizations looking to deep dive into AI.

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Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-ott-517759143/

https://www.moneycab.com/it/adrian-ott-chief-ai-officer-ey-schweiz-im-interview/

https://www.moneycab.com/it/neues-ey-thesenpapier-zur-kuenstlichen-intelligenz-vertrauen-wird-entscheidender-erfolgsfaktor-fuer-mensch-ki-und-die-wirtschaft/

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What if the key to cybersecurity success isn’t just technical skills - but understanding the business itself? In this insightful episode, we talk to Lionel, a seasoned Senior Information Security Officer to explore his journey in IT and cybersecurity. He shares how his initial misconceptions about certifications evolved, leading him to pursue industry-recognized certifications like CISSP, CISM, CISA and multiple Microsoft certifications to bridge professional gaps. From building a comprehensive vulnerability management system to advocating for structured security processes, Lionel reflects on key career milestones that shaped his expertise. He emphasizes that true cybersecurity excellence goes beyond certifications - hands-on experience, networking and mentorship are essential for growth. One of the most powerful takeaways from this conversation? "If you know the business objective, you know the security objective." Lionel explains why understanding business goals is the key to building an effective and resilient cybersecurity strategy.  Whether you're an aspiring security professional or a seasoned leader, this episode will shift the way you think about cybersecurity. 

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Lionel LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lionel-hapi-modje-33641ba4/

Lionels typical workday: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/organisation-und-informatik-stadt-z%C3%BCrich_digitaleszaesrichmitgestalten-itjobs-berufsvielfalt-activity-7290730494382489600-WG1i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAACONqncBzTmT1rca3ilVhifkpHXUs9QkM_4

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