Patrick Sapp and I go way back to our rookie days with the San Diego Chargers, and this conversation starts right where it should: with relationships, loyalty, and what it means to take care of people when nobody is watching. We talk about how those early years in the league shaped us, what it really feels like to fight for a roster spot no matter where you were drafted, and the kind of leadership and mentorship that shows up in small moments but changes your whole path. Those Chargers teams had strong examples, and we both carried those lessons forward.

We also discuss one of the most unique football journeys you will hear, as Pat walks through his decision to switch from quarterback at Clemson to linebacker. He breaks down the frustration, the competitive edge, the willingness to bet on himself, and how daily execution matters more than the size of the challenge. From there we talk transition, identity, and how he never allowed football to be the only thing he was. That mindset led him back to finish his degree, learn business through the right people, and step into high level development work where performance is measured in trust, relationships, and consistency.

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