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In this episode, we get to speak with software engineer educator, Kent C. Dodds. We discuss community, giving back, and future technology.
Brian Hinton: [00:00:00] welcome. I’m Brian Hinton
[00:00:28] Frederick Weiss: [00:00:28] and
[00:00:41] Brian Hinton: [00:00:41] and do tech
[00:00:43] Frederick Weiss: [00:00:43] Ah,
[00:00:54] And also, if you can please go to YouTubes, go to
[00:01:06] Brian Hinton: [00:01:06] Hinton,
[00:01:25]Also check out them out on both YouTube and Twitch under a username. Auth0.
[00:01:47] Frederick Weiss: [00:01:47] Yes.
[00:02:05] Kent C. Dodds: [00:02:05] Thank you.
[00:02:07] Frederick Weiss: [00:02:07] happy to
[00:02:10] How you been. what’s up. What’s new for you, Kent.
[00:02:13] Kent C. Dodds: [00:02:13] Oh
[00:02:27]Yet I’m working behind the scenes on that sort of thing. My biggest
[00:02:39] Frederick Weiss: [00:02:39] Nice. And
[00:02:44] And apparently you also really love the Thundercats reference. Yes, I do.
[00:02:52] Kent C. Dodds: [00:02:52] I
[00:03:01] Brian Hinton: [00:03:01] Yeah. I
[00:03:04] That’s silver Hawks or silver Hawks. Yeah.
[00:03:11] Frederick Weiss: [00:03:11] Yeah,
[00:03:32] What’s how has this first, how has this affected you and your
[00:03:40] Kent C. Dodds: [00:03:40] Yeah. So
[00:03:52] And I don’t think I was impacted as much by COVID as lots of people.
[00:04:14] So I was really lucky in that way that it didn’t impact me as much as
[00:04:31] Frederick Weiss: [00:04:31] It’s
[00:04:35]I think there was some stuff written about the vaccine in South Africa that
[00:04:54] Kent C. Dodds: [00:04:54] Yeah,
[00:05:09]And so you just, you don’t know what to trust online because you hear
[00:05:20] Frederick Weiss: [00:05:20] So you
[00:05:43] You have four children. I have one child and I can’t find the time to
[00:05:49] Brian Hinton: [00:05:49] Could you
[00:05:53] Frederick Weiss: [00:05:53] Do you
[00:05:54] Kent C. Dodds: [00:05:54] confirm
[00:06:05] Cause I am child number 11 of 12 in my family. Wow. That’s impressive.
[00:06:32] And I do have a blog post called how I’m so productive that I wrote
[00:06:50]And so I have that blog post to people can go take a look at, cause it is
[00:07:00] Frederick Weiss: [00:07:00] I like we
[00:07:17] Where did you get the inspiration to be an educator? Why are you and in
[00:07:27] Kent C. Dodds: [00:07:27] Yeah, sure.
[00:07:37] It was just like an expected thing that you did every few months or so.
[00:07:54]I volunteered to be a tutor and help people in our classes. And I hosted a
[00:08:11]For learning and getting really good at whatever it is you’re trying to
[00:08:16] Frederick Weiss: [00:08:16] Yeah. The
[00:08:17] Kent C. Dodds: [00:08:17] code kind
[00:08:29] Let’s move on. I, that’s not what I do. And this is why I’m
[00:08:51]So yeah, I, I don’t know. That’s where things come in. And when I
[00:09:07] And that’s that was pretty cool.
[00:09:12] Frederick Weiss: [00:09:12] Let me
[00:09:31] Do you mind elaborating on where the Phil Collins, the Genesis came from?
[00:09:35] Kent C. Dodds: [00:09:35] Yeah, sure.
[00:09:48] And and I’ve over the last few years have just started to realize
[00:10:12] Oh, okay. That makes sense. Maybe I should research this a little deeper
[00:10:30]Or like we know where their money comes from. And it’s the reason that
[00:10:49] And and I said, I think every company should create a page that says where
[00:11:07] And then I realized, wait for a second, I have a company. So I was like,
[00:11:25] Because my mission is not pushed any further forward by showing people ads
[00:11:46] So that, I guess it’s useful, but it’s, that’s not where
[00:11:59]So that’s any way the transparency page helped me focus a little bit
[00:12:16] Brian Hinton: [00:12:16] Yeah,
[00:12:29]Yeah. I love that. Going back to what you said earlier about how you’d
[00:12:47] So I’m just curious, are you what are you working on now with
[00:12:52] Kent C. Dodds: [00:12:52] something.
[00:13:01] I’m just extremely public about it. There are very few things that I
[00:13:17] And so yes, I am working on a TypeScript thing right now. I’m in the,
[00:13:34] And I’ve been doing a lot of that as a practice to prepare for a
[00:13:54]I shouldn’t say a lot, but if you are that person, you’re in a very
[00:14:11] If you haven’t had much experience or you want to just freshen up and
[00:14:22]Brian Hinton: [00:14:22] Yeah.
[00:14:34] Talk about this episode as a community and building a community. So your
[00:14:46] Kent C. Dodds: [00:14:46] clubhouse.
[00:14:50] Brian Hinton: [00:14:50] maybe next
[00:14:55]And I was like, I just happened to go the NPM page to look something up. I
[00:15:23] Kent C. Dodds: [00:15:23] Yeah. I,
[00:15:43] And talk with each other. They’ll be able to help each other. And
[00:16:00] And so I can drastically reduce the price. But you lose that side of being
[00:16:21]So I started with actually spectrum spread spectrum. chat and that worked
[00:16:39] And I created discord in an hour made the images and whatever. And set up
[00:16:56] So that was a very important thing to me. If I’m going to be in charge
[00:17:14]But I also wanted to get email addresses and stuff as well. Not only for
[00:17:36] In fact, it says, do you accept the code of conduct here it is. And they
[00:17:56]So because of that friction that I’ve added to join the community,
[00:18:14] And so we have none of those because people realize that, and then they
[00:18:27] Brian Hinton: [00:18:27] Oh yeah. I
[00:18:29] Kent C. Dodds: [00:18:29] and I had
[00:18:33] And so now there’s this nebulous account just hanging out in some
[00:18:47] I, I love it. There.
[00:18:48] Brian Hinton: [00:18:48] Yeah. And
[00:18:53] Kent C. Dodds: [00:18:53] I know of
[00:19:01] Brian Hinton: [00:19:01] Yeah. And
[00:19:06] That’s an incredible concept. Could you tell us a little bit about the
[00:19:11] Kent C. Dodds: [00:19:11] So when I
[00:19:27] We’ll just see, make sure that everything flows nicely and everything.
[00:19:43]But yeah, so what I found in that process was that the people who, and
[00:20:08] And I didn’t want to lose that either. And so I wanted to have some
[00:20:22]And the problem with going recorded is now you lose access to the
[00:20:40]And so what a learning coach is basically my bot facilitates getting a
[00:20:56]But the idea is you have this curriculum you want to go through there,
[00:21:15]It’s been really successful. We’ve had I dunno, maybe two dozen
[00:21:28] And then it kind of tapers off in there maybe four or five people laugh.
[00:21:45]And having a group of people that I feel accountable to make me more likely
[00:21:54] Frederick Weiss: [00:21:54] with you.
[00:22:14] Kent C. Dodds: [00:22:14] Absolutely.
[00:22:18] Brian Hinton: [00:22:18] One thing,
[00:22:35] Frederick Weiss: [00:22:35] I know
[00:22:36]Kent C. Dodds: [00:22:36] A lot of
[00:22:54] And and I’m always way better equipped to teach the things that
[00:23:13] And then it’s B just become naturally interesting to me. And so
[00:23:21] Frederick Weiss: [00:23:21] got a, we
[00:23:24]Kent C. Dodds: [00:23:24] Yeah. It
[00:23:34]And I, of course, have to be a community. Yeah. They keep you there. Yes.
[00:23:50] Brian Hinton: [00:23:50] Yeah
[00:23:54] I’ve used it. A lot of people have joined my team. Some of them are
[00:24:10] JavaScript is reacted and I really. I appreciate that you did that. High
[00:24:16] Kent C. Dodds: [00:24:16] Yeah.
[00:24:36] So what you’re talking about, Brian, there is at the very first lesson
[00:24:50]And I feel like people are able to draw a line around abstractions a lot
[00:25:11]But the jump from what you could do with just react on dot render. And
[00:25:28]And I said, you know what? That test is actually not that bad. And I,
[00:25:41] I was going to make a list of here don’t do these things with the
[00:25:55] And I did this was like two weeks before I was giving a workshop at Trulia
[00:26:13] Yeah. I’m really glad that reacts.
[00:26:17] Brian Hinton: [00:26:17] That’s
[00:26:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:26:20] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:26:33] And like comments and get a hub, all encourage people to, to write
[00:26:52] Brian Hinton: [00:26:52] Nice job.
[00:26:54] One thing I’m curious about do you have LA what are your next goals
[00:27:04] Kent C. Dodds: [00:27:04] Yeah. A few
[00:27:11] Like it, wasn’t just here’s the place that I’m talking about,
[00:27:31] just because it’s the KCD to the community doesn’t mean I’m
[00:27:47] And when you schedule a meetup, all your followers will get a notification
[00:28:05] And so now we have people who. Are hosting their own meetups and
[00:28:20] And that there are a lot of people who can help me in that mission. I
[00:28:37]Frederick Weiss: [00:28:37] Let me ask
[00:28:47] Kent C. Dodds: [00:28:47] Yeah,
[00:28:52] Frederick Weiss: [00:28:52]
[00:28:55] Kent C. Dodds: [00:28:55] Yeah. So
[00:29:16] And if I can help them to level up their skills, to be able to push their
[00:29:36] And that’s also like something that I’m thinking about pretty
[00:29:54] Brian Hinton: [00:29:54] What do you
[00:30:08]What are you, what are some tips and tricks for people?
[00:30:11] Kent C. Dodds: [00:30:11] Yeah. So I
[00:30:27] And we have plans that we make together. And then when we’re getting
[00:30:45] This is the next thing that I’m working on, but I don’t have to
[00:31:02]That means that when I have those slumps, I can just go hang out with my
[00:31:16] I’m doing it
[00:31:17] Brian Hinton: [00:31:17] now.
[00:31:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:31:20] Yeah. So I
[00:31:35] Can I help Jane out with her thing or whatever just to change the pace a
[00:31:45] Brian Hinton: [00:31:45] So when will
[00:31:52] Frederick Weiss: [00:31:52]
[00:31:56] Kent C. Dodds: [00:31:56] You know
[00:32:11] Frederick Weiss: [00:32:11] We just
[00:32:14]Speaking of your courses, I just wanted to bring up this cause I’ve,
[00:32:34] Thanks for your testing article. Like how that’s some great feedback.
[00:32:43] Kent C. Dodds: [00:32:43] It makes me
[00:33:07]I’ve written a lot of articles about testing. In fact, I’m just
[00:33:18] Brian Hinton: [00:33:18] Oh, I was
[00:33:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:33:20] Sorry.
[00:33:28]I know-how now, like I can tell you this story, but it was never a plan of
[00:33:48] And I test everything manually. I was like, what pain is that? And so I,
[00:34:02]And so I just started testing everything. And when you do something enough,
[00:34:18] And and then I became the testing guy. I made a course about it. And yeah
[00:34:33] I want to learn it. I want to really understand it. But’s a big
[00:34:46] Brian Hinton: [00:34:46] and anything
[00:34:53] Kent C. Dodds: [00:34:53] Oh yeah. Th
[00:35:05] JavaScript is there’s this new, relatively new software called MSW
[00:35:26]And then in 2019 I did a relaunch I, or V2, I just revamped everything. And
[00:35:51] So I recorded a couple of videos to show you a couple of cool additional
[00:36:06]I haven’t made huge changes like that. But it’s Hey, there’s
[00:36:13] Brian Hinton: [00:36:13] you, do you
[00:36:23] Kent C. Dodds: [00:36:23] Yeah. I
[00:36:30] Or most of the time it’s something that they built that has been
[00:36:44] And so those are pretty easy. I just say, Hey, I’m not your target
[00:36:58] So I, you just choose which things you’re going to spend your time
[00:37:03]Frederick Weiss: [00:37:03]
[00:37:17]I wanted to also ask you about the podcast. How’s that going? Or are
[00:37:23] Kent C. Dodds: [00:37:23] Yeah, so I
[00:37:40]Yeah. So the reason that I do that is I’ve done a lot of podcasts. I
[00:37:54]But yeah, and then I have a podcast on Epic react and where I’m the
[00:38:13]Yeah. And especially when you’re doing I did the live thing like you
[00:38:30]And so when I decided, Hey, I want to do this podcast. You think I want to
[00:38:47] And then there’s no expectation on consistency from me. Nobody people
[00:39:02] Frederick Weiss: [00:39:02]
[00:39:02]Could you imagine if you had a wait like a week for a new Wanda vision to
[00:39:13] Brian Hinton: [00:39:13] I just want
[00:39:16] Kent C. Dodds: [00:39:16] And I do
[00:39:18] People are like when on season four coming out and that’s fine. I
[00:39:34] Egghead helps me with that a lot. You’re not
[00:39:37] Brian Hinton: [00:39:37] doing
[00:39:41] Kent C. Dodds: [00:39:41] Busy was
[00:39:52] Or I’d say, Oh yeah. And then this they respond back. No, they never
[00:39:59] Frederick Weiss: [00:39:59] talking
[00:40:01] Kent C. Dodds: [00:40:01] Yeah. Yeah,
[00:40:09] And then I got to talk with amazing people. I started with angular air and
[00:40:26]So it’s not really a chore to me. But it does take time. And yeah.
[00:40:35] Brian Hinton: [00:40:35] Yeah. Same
[00:40:47] And I’m like Kent is four kids. He just ate the lasagna last night,
[00:40:51] Frederick Weiss: [00:40:51] yeah. Our
[00:41:05] And like you said, getting the opportunities to talk to some of the more
[00:41:15] Kent C. Dodds: [00:41:15] Yeah.
[00:41:17] Brian Hinton: [00:41:17] Yeah.
[00:41:23] Frederick Weiss: [00:41:23] think the
[00:41:27] Kent C. Dodds: [00:41:27] I am
[00:41:37] Frederick Weiss: [00:41:37] Ready to
[00:41:42] Brian Hinton: [00:41:42] Ramble time.
[00:41:47]My first question would be where do you mind not waiting?
[00:41:52] Kent C. Dodds: [00:41:52] Where do I
[00:42:11] Frederick Weiss: [00:42:11]
[00:42:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:42:20] Ooh, this
[00:42:28]I am a very driven person. I‘m, I get really committed to things and
[00:42:35] Brian Hinton: [00:42:35] Nice. Okay.
[00:42:46] Kent C. Dodds: [00:42:46] shout out
[00:42:49] That would be so fun.
[00:42:52] Frederick Weiss: [00:42:52] Kent, if
[00:43:02] Kent C. Dodds: [00:43:02] I would
[00:43:09] Frederick Weiss: [00:43:09] It is
[00:43:12] Kent C. Dodds: [00:43:12] Yup.
[00:43:15] Brian Hinton: [00:43:15] Okay. You go
[00:43:30]Kent C. Dodds: [00:43:30] Shoot I with
[00:43:37] So it doesn’t make a difference. What I choose.
[00:43:39] Brian Hinton: [00:43:39] Oh, you made
[00:43:41] Kent C. Dodds: [00:43:41] Oh, so like
[00:43:45]Typing.
[00:43:48] Frederick Weiss: [00:43:48] There you
[00:44:05] Brian Hinton: [00:44:05] ghost. What
[00:44:07]Kent C. Dodds: [00:44:07] Invite them
[00:44:12] So may as well act friendly.
[00:44:17] Frederick Weiss: [00:44:17] Would you
[00:44:20] Brian Hinton: [00:44:20] what chores
[00:44:23]Kent C. Dodds: [00:44:23] I queen
[00:44:28] Frederick Weiss: [00:44:28] Nice. All
[00:44:37] Kent C. Dodds: [00:44:37] such as
[00:44:40]One thing that people know about me is I listened at three X that’s how
[00:44:49] Frederick Weiss: [00:44:49] this
[00:44:55] Kent C. Dodds: [00:44:55] I
[00:45:13] I’m a big fan. And yeah, like some self-help books and stuff like
[00:45:30] It doesn’t matter. I don’t even realize it. Sometimes it can
[00:45:45] Frederick Weiss: [00:45:45] Gotcha.
[00:45:51] He was talking about how all he does with podcasts is listen to them at
[00:46:05] Kent C. Dodds: [00:46:05] I know like
[00:46:12]So lots of that is because of the parts of their brain that are processing
[00:46:34]And and so I can listen. Otherwise, I’ll miss stuff. And I’ve just
[00:46:37] Frederick Weiss: [00:46:37] cleaning
[00:46:40] Brian Hinton: [00:46:40] I’ve
[00:46:45] Kent C. Dodds: [00:46:45] Yeah,
[00:46:54] can’t but slower.
[00:46:59] I talk fast. I don’t like wasting people’s time and I don’t
[00:47:03] Brian Hinton: [00:47:03] Would you
[00:47:09] Kent C. Dodds: [00:47:09] Oh, I find
[00:47:20] Kent,
[00:47:20] Frederick Weiss: [00:47:20] what
[00:47:31] Kent C. Dodds: [00:47:31] Sorry,
[00:47:42]And and sometimes you don’t realize that the thing you did was a
[00:47:48] Brian Hinton: [00:47:48] So wait,
[00:47:52] Frederick Weiss: [00:47:52] you
[00:47:58] Kent C. Dodds: [00:47:58] I can’t
[00:48:06] Frederick Weiss: [00:48:06] Yes,
[00:48:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:48:20] Yeah. That
[00:48:22]I have made a living building or creating material for experienced
[00:48:43]And so I don’t know if I can recommend that path. If there’s maybe
[00:48:59] That’d probably be a good place to start.
[00:49:02] Frederick Weiss: [00:49:02] Oh yeah.
[00:49:04]Brian Hinton: [00:49:04] What do you
[00:49:11] Kent C. Dodds: [00:49:11] When I was
[00:49:28]I miss that. Now I have that, but like now I have a wife and four kids. I
[00:49:45] That’s like where I got my drive and my productivity, just like I have
[00:49:54] Frederick Weiss: [00:49:54] Love
[00:49:56]Brian Hinton: [00:49:56] I’ve. I
[00:50:00] Kent C. Dodds: [00:50:00] I’m
[00:50:02] Brian Hinton: [00:50:02] 11 and
[00:50:03] Yeah. I want to know where you’re. I was curious where you’re at
[00:50:10]Kent C. Dodds: [00:50:10] Because then
[00:50:12] Brian Hinton: [00:50:12] because he
[00:50:14] Frederick Weiss: [00:50:14]
[00:50:18] Kent C. Dodds: [00:50:18] those punny
[00:50:36]Cody, the koala bear also joins us and Oh my God, that’s
[00:50:39] Brian Hinton: [00:50:39]
[00:50:43] Frederick Weiss: [00:50:43] Kent.
[00:51:10] I imagine everywhere that anyone would book, if I go to the Kent C Dodds,
[00:51:19] Kent C. Dodds: [00:51:19] the case. I
[00:51:23] Frederick Weiss: [00:51:23] Yeah.
[00:51:33]Kent C. Dodds: [00:51:33] So my
[00:51:40] And he says it’s more important to be a hard worker and is more
[00:51:58]So that would be my parting words of advice. Be a little introspective and
[00:52:07] Brian Hinton: [00:52:07] I like that.
[00:52:17] That’s great. Thank you
[00:52:18] Kent C. Dodds: [00:52:18] so much.
[00:52:23] Frederick Weiss: [00:52:23] Yeah.
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In this episode, we get to speak with software engineer educator, Kent C. Dodds. We discuss community, giving back, and future technology.
Brian Hinton: [00:00:00] welcome. I’m Brian Hinton
[00:00:28] Frederick Weiss: [00:00:28] and
[00:00:41] Brian Hinton: [00:00:41] and do tech
[00:00:43] Frederick Weiss: [00:00:43] Ah,
[00:00:54] And also, if you can please go to YouTubes, go to
[00:01:06] Brian Hinton: [00:01:06] Hinton,
[00:01:25]Also check out them out on both YouTube and Twitch under a username. Auth0.
[00:01:47] Frederick Weiss: [00:01:47] Yes.
[00:02:05] Kent C. Dodds: [00:02:05] Thank you.
[00:02:07] Frederick Weiss: [00:02:07] happy to
[00:02:10] How you been. what’s up. What’s new for you, Kent.
[00:02:13] Kent C. Dodds: [00:02:13] Oh
[00:02:27]Yet I’m working behind the scenes on that sort of thing. My biggest
[00:02:39] Frederick Weiss: [00:02:39] Nice. And
[00:02:44] And apparently you also really love the Thundercats reference. Yes, I do.
[00:02:52] Kent C. Dodds: [00:02:52] I
[00:03:01] Brian Hinton: [00:03:01] Yeah. I
[00:03:04] That’s silver Hawks or silver Hawks. Yeah.
[00:03:11] Frederick Weiss: [00:03:11] Yeah,
[00:03:32] What’s how has this first, how has this affected you and your
[00:03:40] Kent C. Dodds: [00:03:40] Yeah. So
[00:03:52] And I don’t think I was impacted as much by COVID as lots of people.
[00:04:14] So I was really lucky in that way that it didn’t impact me as much as
[00:04:31] Frederick Weiss: [00:04:31] It’s
[00:04:35]I think there was some stuff written about the vaccine in South Africa that
[00:04:54] Kent C. Dodds: [00:04:54] Yeah,
[00:05:09]And so you just, you don’t know what to trust online because you hear
[00:05:20] Frederick Weiss: [00:05:20] So you
[00:05:43] You have four children. I have one child and I can’t find the time to
[00:05:49] Brian Hinton: [00:05:49] Could you
[00:05:53] Frederick Weiss: [00:05:53] Do you
[00:05:54] Kent C. Dodds: [00:05:54] confirm
[00:06:05] Cause I am child number 11 of 12 in my family. Wow. That’s impressive.
[00:06:32] And I do have a blog post called how I’m so productive that I wrote
[00:06:50]And so I have that blog post to people can go take a look at, cause it is
[00:07:00] Frederick Weiss: [00:07:00] I like we
[00:07:17] Where did you get the inspiration to be an educator? Why are you and in
[00:07:27] Kent C. Dodds: [00:07:27] Yeah, sure.
[00:07:37] It was just like an expected thing that you did every few months or so.
[00:07:54]I volunteered to be a tutor and help people in our classes. And I hosted a
[00:08:11]For learning and getting really good at whatever it is you’re trying to
[00:08:16] Frederick Weiss: [00:08:16] Yeah. The
[00:08:17] Kent C. Dodds: [00:08:17] code kind
[00:08:29] Let’s move on. I, that’s not what I do. And this is why I’m
[00:08:51]So yeah, I, I don’t know. That’s where things come in. And when I
[00:09:07] And that’s that was pretty cool.
[00:09:12] Frederick Weiss: [00:09:12] Let me
[00:09:31] Do you mind elaborating on where the Phil Collins, the Genesis came from?
[00:09:35] Kent C. Dodds: [00:09:35] Yeah, sure.
[00:09:48] And and I’ve over the last few years have just started to realize
[00:10:12] Oh, okay. That makes sense. Maybe I should research this a little deeper
[00:10:30]Or like we know where their money comes from. And it’s the reason that
[00:10:49] And and I said, I think every company should create a page that says where
[00:11:07] And then I realized, wait for a second, I have a company. So I was like,
[00:11:25] Because my mission is not pushed any further forward by showing people ads
[00:11:46] So that, I guess it’s useful, but it’s, that’s not where
[00:11:59]So that’s any way the transparency page helped me focus a little bit
[00:12:16] Brian Hinton: [00:12:16] Yeah,
[00:12:29]Yeah. I love that. Going back to what you said earlier about how you’d
[00:12:47] So I’m just curious, are you what are you working on now with
[00:12:52] Kent C. Dodds: [00:12:52] something.
[00:13:01] I’m just extremely public about it. There are very few things that I
[00:13:17] And so yes, I am working on a TypeScript thing right now. I’m in the,
[00:13:34] And I’ve been doing a lot of that as a practice to prepare for a
[00:13:54]I shouldn’t say a lot, but if you are that person, you’re in a very
[00:14:11] If you haven’t had much experience or you want to just freshen up and
[00:14:22]Brian Hinton: [00:14:22] Yeah.
[00:14:34] Talk about this episode as a community and building a community. So your
[00:14:46] Kent C. Dodds: [00:14:46] clubhouse.
[00:14:50] Brian Hinton: [00:14:50] maybe next
[00:14:55]And I was like, I just happened to go the NPM page to look something up. I
[00:15:23] Kent C. Dodds: [00:15:23] Yeah. I,
[00:15:43] And talk with each other. They’ll be able to help each other. And
[00:16:00] And so I can drastically reduce the price. But you lose that side of being
[00:16:21]So I started with actually spectrum spread spectrum. chat and that worked
[00:16:39] And I created discord in an hour made the images and whatever. And set up
[00:16:56] So that was a very important thing to me. If I’m going to be in charge
[00:17:14]But I also wanted to get email addresses and stuff as well. Not only for
[00:17:36] In fact, it says, do you accept the code of conduct here it is. And they
[00:17:56]So because of that friction that I’ve added to join the community,
[00:18:14] And so we have none of those because people realize that, and then they
[00:18:27] Brian Hinton: [00:18:27] Oh yeah. I
[00:18:29] Kent C. Dodds: [00:18:29] and I had
[00:18:33] And so now there’s this nebulous account just hanging out in some
[00:18:47] I, I love it. There.
[00:18:48] Brian Hinton: [00:18:48] Yeah. And
[00:18:53] Kent C. Dodds: [00:18:53] I know of
[00:19:01] Brian Hinton: [00:19:01] Yeah. And
[00:19:06] That’s an incredible concept. Could you tell us a little bit about the
[00:19:11] Kent C. Dodds: [00:19:11] So when I
[00:19:27] We’ll just see, make sure that everything flows nicely and everything.
[00:19:43]But yeah, so what I found in that process was that the people who, and
[00:20:08] And I didn’t want to lose that either. And so I wanted to have some
[00:20:22]And the problem with going recorded is now you lose access to the
[00:20:40]And so what a learning coach is basically my bot facilitates getting a
[00:20:56]But the idea is you have this curriculum you want to go through there,
[00:21:15]It’s been really successful. We’ve had I dunno, maybe two dozen
[00:21:28] And then it kind of tapers off in there maybe four or five people laugh.
[00:21:45]And having a group of people that I feel accountable to make me more likely
[00:21:54] Frederick Weiss: [00:21:54] with you.
[00:22:14] Kent C. Dodds: [00:22:14] Absolutely.
[00:22:18] Brian Hinton: [00:22:18] One thing,
[00:22:35] Frederick Weiss: [00:22:35] I know
[00:22:36]Kent C. Dodds: [00:22:36] A lot of
[00:22:54] And and I’m always way better equipped to teach the things that
[00:23:13] And then it’s B just become naturally interesting to me. And so
[00:23:21] Frederick Weiss: [00:23:21] got a, we
[00:23:24]Kent C. Dodds: [00:23:24] Yeah. It
[00:23:34]And I, of course, have to be a community. Yeah. They keep you there. Yes.
[00:23:50] Brian Hinton: [00:23:50] Yeah
[00:23:54] I’ve used it. A lot of people have joined my team. Some of them are
[00:24:10] JavaScript is reacted and I really. I appreciate that you did that. High
[00:24:16] Kent C. Dodds: [00:24:16] Yeah.
[00:24:36] So what you’re talking about, Brian, there is at the very first lesson
[00:24:50]And I feel like people are able to draw a line around abstractions a lot
[00:25:11]But the jump from what you could do with just react on dot render. And
[00:25:28]And I said, you know what? That test is actually not that bad. And I,
[00:25:41] I was going to make a list of here don’t do these things with the
[00:25:55] And I did this was like two weeks before I was giving a workshop at Trulia
[00:26:13] Yeah. I’m really glad that reacts.
[00:26:17] Brian Hinton: [00:26:17] That’s
[00:26:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:26:20] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:26:33] And like comments and get a hub, all encourage people to, to write
[00:26:52] Brian Hinton: [00:26:52] Nice job.
[00:26:54] One thing I’m curious about do you have LA what are your next goals
[00:27:04] Kent C. Dodds: [00:27:04] Yeah. A few
[00:27:11] Like it, wasn’t just here’s the place that I’m talking about,
[00:27:31] just because it’s the KCD to the community doesn’t mean I’m
[00:27:47] And when you schedule a meetup, all your followers will get a notification
[00:28:05] And so now we have people who. Are hosting their own meetups and
[00:28:20] And that there are a lot of people who can help me in that mission. I
[00:28:37]Frederick Weiss: [00:28:37] Let me ask
[00:28:47] Kent C. Dodds: [00:28:47] Yeah,
[00:28:52] Frederick Weiss: [00:28:52]
[00:28:55] Kent C. Dodds: [00:28:55] Yeah. So
[00:29:16] And if I can help them to level up their skills, to be able to push their
[00:29:36] And that’s also like something that I’m thinking about pretty
[00:29:54] Brian Hinton: [00:29:54] What do you
[00:30:08]What are you, what are some tips and tricks for people?
[00:30:11] Kent C. Dodds: [00:30:11] Yeah. So I
[00:30:27] And we have plans that we make together. And then when we’re getting
[00:30:45] This is the next thing that I’m working on, but I don’t have to
[00:31:02]That means that when I have those slumps, I can just go hang out with my
[00:31:16] I’m doing it
[00:31:17] Brian Hinton: [00:31:17] now.
[00:31:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:31:20] Yeah. So I
[00:31:35] Can I help Jane out with her thing or whatever just to change the pace a
[00:31:45] Brian Hinton: [00:31:45] So when will
[00:31:52] Frederick Weiss: [00:31:52]
[00:31:56] Kent C. Dodds: [00:31:56] You know
[00:32:11] Frederick Weiss: [00:32:11] We just
[00:32:14]Speaking of your courses, I just wanted to bring up this cause I’ve,
[00:32:34] Thanks for your testing article. Like how that’s some great feedback.
[00:32:43] Kent C. Dodds: [00:32:43] It makes me
[00:33:07]I’ve written a lot of articles about testing. In fact, I’m just
[00:33:18] Brian Hinton: [00:33:18] Oh, I was
[00:33:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:33:20] Sorry.
[00:33:28]I know-how now, like I can tell you this story, but it was never a plan of
[00:33:48] And I test everything manually. I was like, what pain is that? And so I,
[00:34:02]And so I just started testing everything. And when you do something enough,
[00:34:18] And and then I became the testing guy. I made a course about it. And yeah
[00:34:33] I want to learn it. I want to really understand it. But’s a big
[00:34:46] Brian Hinton: [00:34:46] and anything
[00:34:53] Kent C. Dodds: [00:34:53] Oh yeah. Th
[00:35:05] JavaScript is there’s this new, relatively new software called MSW
[00:35:26]And then in 2019 I did a relaunch I, or V2, I just revamped everything. And
[00:35:51] So I recorded a couple of videos to show you a couple of cool additional
[00:36:06]I haven’t made huge changes like that. But it’s Hey, there’s
[00:36:13] Brian Hinton: [00:36:13] you, do you
[00:36:23] Kent C. Dodds: [00:36:23] Yeah. I
[00:36:30] Or most of the time it’s something that they built that has been
[00:36:44] And so those are pretty easy. I just say, Hey, I’m not your target
[00:36:58] So I, you just choose which things you’re going to spend your time
[00:37:03]Frederick Weiss: [00:37:03]
[00:37:17]I wanted to also ask you about the podcast. How’s that going? Or are
[00:37:23] Kent C. Dodds: [00:37:23] Yeah, so I
[00:37:40]Yeah. So the reason that I do that is I’ve done a lot of podcasts. I
[00:37:54]But yeah, and then I have a podcast on Epic react and where I’m the
[00:38:13]Yeah. And especially when you’re doing I did the live thing like you
[00:38:30]And so when I decided, Hey, I want to do this podcast. You think I want to
[00:38:47] And then there’s no expectation on consistency from me. Nobody people
[00:39:02] Frederick Weiss: [00:39:02]
[00:39:02]Could you imagine if you had a wait like a week for a new Wanda vision to
[00:39:13] Brian Hinton: [00:39:13] I just want
[00:39:16] Kent C. Dodds: [00:39:16] And I do
[00:39:18] People are like when on season four coming out and that’s fine. I
[00:39:34] Egghead helps me with that a lot. You’re not
[00:39:37] Brian Hinton: [00:39:37] doing
[00:39:41] Kent C. Dodds: [00:39:41] Busy was
[00:39:52] Or I’d say, Oh yeah. And then this they respond back. No, they never
[00:39:59] Frederick Weiss: [00:39:59] talking
[00:40:01] Kent C. Dodds: [00:40:01] Yeah. Yeah,
[00:40:09] And then I got to talk with amazing people. I started with angular air and
[00:40:26]So it’s not really a chore to me. But it does take time. And yeah.
[00:40:35] Brian Hinton: [00:40:35] Yeah. Same
[00:40:47] And I’m like Kent is four kids. He just ate the lasagna last night,
[00:40:51] Frederick Weiss: [00:40:51] yeah. Our
[00:41:05] And like you said, getting the opportunities to talk to some of the more
[00:41:15] Kent C. Dodds: [00:41:15] Yeah.
[00:41:17] Brian Hinton: [00:41:17] Yeah.
[00:41:23] Frederick Weiss: [00:41:23] think the
[00:41:27] Kent C. Dodds: [00:41:27] I am
[00:41:37] Frederick Weiss: [00:41:37] Ready to
[00:41:42] Brian Hinton: [00:41:42] Ramble time.
[00:41:47]My first question would be where do you mind not waiting?
[00:41:52] Kent C. Dodds: [00:41:52] Where do I
[00:42:11] Frederick Weiss: [00:42:11]
[00:42:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:42:20] Ooh, this
[00:42:28]I am a very driven person. I‘m, I get really committed to things and
[00:42:35] Brian Hinton: [00:42:35] Nice. Okay.
[00:42:46] Kent C. Dodds: [00:42:46] shout out
[00:42:49] That would be so fun.
[00:42:52] Frederick Weiss: [00:42:52] Kent, if
[00:43:02] Kent C. Dodds: [00:43:02] I would
[00:43:09] Frederick Weiss: [00:43:09] It is
[00:43:12] Kent C. Dodds: [00:43:12] Yup.
[00:43:15] Brian Hinton: [00:43:15] Okay. You go
[00:43:30]Kent C. Dodds: [00:43:30] Shoot I with
[00:43:37] So it doesn’t make a difference. What I choose.
[00:43:39] Brian Hinton: [00:43:39] Oh, you made
[00:43:41] Kent C. Dodds: [00:43:41] Oh, so like
[00:43:45]Typing.
[00:43:48] Frederick Weiss: [00:43:48] There you
[00:44:05] Brian Hinton: [00:44:05] ghost. What
[00:44:07]Kent C. Dodds: [00:44:07] Invite them
[00:44:12] So may as well act friendly.
[00:44:17] Frederick Weiss: [00:44:17] Would you
[00:44:20] Brian Hinton: [00:44:20] what chores
[00:44:23]Kent C. Dodds: [00:44:23] I queen
[00:44:28] Frederick Weiss: [00:44:28] Nice. All
[00:44:37] Kent C. Dodds: [00:44:37] such as
[00:44:40]One thing that people know about me is I listened at three X that’s how
[00:44:49] Frederick Weiss: [00:44:49] this
[00:44:55] Kent C. Dodds: [00:44:55] I
[00:45:13] I’m a big fan. And yeah, like some self-help books and stuff like
[00:45:30] It doesn’t matter. I don’t even realize it. Sometimes it can
[00:45:45] Frederick Weiss: [00:45:45] Gotcha.
[00:45:51] He was talking about how all he does with podcasts is listen to them at
[00:46:05] Kent C. Dodds: [00:46:05] I know like
[00:46:12]So lots of that is because of the parts of their brain that are processing
[00:46:34]And and so I can listen. Otherwise, I’ll miss stuff. And I’ve just
[00:46:37] Frederick Weiss: [00:46:37] cleaning
[00:46:40] Brian Hinton: [00:46:40] I’ve
[00:46:45] Kent C. Dodds: [00:46:45] Yeah,
[00:46:54] can’t but slower.
[00:46:59] I talk fast. I don’t like wasting people’s time and I don’t
[00:47:03] Brian Hinton: [00:47:03] Would you
[00:47:09] Kent C. Dodds: [00:47:09] Oh, I find
[00:47:20] Kent,
[00:47:20] Frederick Weiss: [00:47:20] what
[00:47:31] Kent C. Dodds: [00:47:31] Sorry,
[00:47:42]And and sometimes you don’t realize that the thing you did was a
[00:47:48] Brian Hinton: [00:47:48] So wait,
[00:47:52] Frederick Weiss: [00:47:52] you
[00:47:58] Kent C. Dodds: [00:47:58] I can’t
[00:48:06] Frederick Weiss: [00:48:06] Yes,
[00:48:20] Kent C. Dodds: [00:48:20] Yeah. That
[00:48:22]I have made a living building or creating material for experienced
[00:48:43]And so I don’t know if I can recommend that path. If there’s maybe
[00:48:59] That’d probably be a good place to start.
[00:49:02] Frederick Weiss: [00:49:02] Oh yeah.
[00:49:04]Brian Hinton: [00:49:04] What do you
[00:49:11] Kent C. Dodds: [00:49:11] When I was
[00:49:28]I miss that. Now I have that, but like now I have a wife and four kids. I
[00:49:45] That’s like where I got my drive and my productivity, just like I have
[00:49:54] Frederick Weiss: [00:49:54] Love
[00:49:56]Brian Hinton: [00:49:56] I’ve. I
[00:50:00] Kent C. Dodds: [00:50:00] I’m
[00:50:02] Brian Hinton: [00:50:02] 11 and
[00:50:03] Yeah. I want to know where you’re. I was curious where you’re at
[00:50:10]Kent C. Dodds: [00:50:10] Because then
[00:50:12] Brian Hinton: [00:50:12] because he
[00:50:14] Frederick Weiss: [00:50:14]
[00:50:18] Kent C. Dodds: [00:50:18] those punny
[00:50:36]Cody, the koala bear also joins us and Oh my God, that’s
[00:50:39] Brian Hinton: [00:50:39]
[00:50:43] Frederick Weiss: [00:50:43] Kent.
[00:51:10] I imagine everywhere that anyone would book, if I go to the Kent C Dodds,
[00:51:19] Kent C. Dodds: [00:51:19] the case. I
[00:51:23] Frederick Weiss: [00:51:23] Yeah.
[00:51:33]Kent C. Dodds: [00:51:33] So my
[00:51:40] And he says it’s more important to be a hard worker and is more
[00:51:58]So that would be my parting words of advice. Be a little introspective and
[00:52:07] Brian Hinton: [00:52:07] I like that.
[00:52:17] That’s great. Thank you
[00:52:18] Kent C. Dodds: [00:52:18] so much.
[00:52:23] Frederick Weiss: [00:52:23] Yeah.