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Original title: ...And there are also False Prophecies!
In this episode, Brendon and Skyler discuss the twenty-second lesson in the LDS Come, Follow Me sunday school manual. This week (May 22-28) is titled "The Son of Man Shall Come" and covers Joseph Smith-Matthew 1, Mark 12-13, and Luke 21.
We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors!
CORRECTION: The JST, when compared with his KJV equivalent - has only 118 changes in Romans. There were 1,554 changes to the Gospels. (Mormons and the Bible, p. 54; also see this issue in the context of ch.'s 1-3 of An Insider's View of Mormon Origins by Grant Palmer.)
It should be noted that in Mark 12 - Jesus, when asked what the greatest commandment is, begins with the Shema and thus, the monotheism denied in Mormon and/or LDS theology.
Contrary to what seems to be popular understanding among LDS, the Trinity is a monotheistic doctrine, and to claim that the Godhead are "three separate beings and persons" is to be polytheistic, no matter the aesthetic preference of someone like Jeffrey Holland. (also see here, and here to see how Joseph Smith spoke about the Trinity; also see The Trinity: An Introduction by Scott Swain for a short introduction to the foundational Christian doctrine.)
Moses warns against false prophets who lead people after other gods (Deut. 13.1-5); and Paul warns in Galatians that "even if we or an angel from heaven" preach a different gospel, let him/her be anathema, as well as warning against false apostles, men who preach "another Christ" - saying that "even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." (Gal. 1.7, 2 Cor. 11.4,13-14) And of course, the apostle John warns against "false prophets" and commands we "test the spirits". (1 John 4.1-3)
Sources:
Joseph Smith - Matthew (in the 1968 version, the heading above says "Writings of Joseph Smith")
Sunday school manual: here
Why the King James Version by J. Reuben Clark
New Testament Made Easier by David Ridges
Gospel Principles manual: here, here, here
JST Revelation; Sermon in the Grove (Joseph Smith)
A Voice of Warning by Parley Pratt; The Seer by Orson Pratt
The Culture of Christ (William Jackson)
The Office of Patriarch (Boyd K. Packer); also here and here
The Words of Joseph Smith, ed. by Andrew Ehat and Lyndon Cook; wherein it documents Joseph Smith stating: "I prophesy in the name of the Lord God - and let it be written - that the Son of Man will not come in the heavens till I am 85 years old, 48 years hence or about 1890." (p.180)
Brigham Young (JD 13.309); Jedediah Grant (JD 1.346);
Orson Hyde (JD 4.259); Wilford Woodruff (JD 18.37, 21.195)
Brigham Young also taught this in regard to the title "Son of Man", connected to his teaching that Michael is god:"[I]t is most significant that in the Hebrew language the word for man is Adam, hence in the some-odd 84 passages in the gospels when Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man, it can be taken quite literally as a claim on Jesus' part that he was the son of Adam." (Teachings of President Brigham Young, 3:327)
Conflict in the Quorum by Gary Bergera
Power From On High: The Development of Mormon Priesthood by Gregory Prince
Mormons and the Bible by Philip Barlow
The Mormon Jesus by John Turner
As A Thief In the Night by Dan Erickson
Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Sandra and Jerald Tanner
Joseph Smith claimed: "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam...Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet..." (HC 6:408; here)
D&C 84 (false prophecy about New Jerusalem)
D&C 114 (false prophecy about apostle David W. Patten - who would die Oct. 25, 1838 in the Battle of Crooked River; also see DHC 3.170-175)
Parley Pratt - the "Apostle Paul of Mormonism" wrote and published: “Now, Mr. Sunderland, you have something definite and tangible, the time, the manner, the means, the names, the dates; and I will state as a prophesy, that there will not be an unbelieving Gentile upon this continent 50 years hence; and if they are not greatly scourged, and in a great measure overthrown, within five or ten years from this date, then the Book of Mormon will have proved itself false.” (Mormonism Unveiled, 1838; found in The Essential Parley Pratt, p. 24)
D&C 130 (expectation that Jesus would come back in around 1890)
It should be noted that this is the context for the Manifesto on polygamy - esp. in light of Wilford Woodruff (then senior apostle!) even prophesying in the Manti Temple that "we are not going to stop the practice of plural marriage until the coming of the Son of man." (ibid., p.200, also here)
On April 28, 1842 - Joseph Smith delivered instruction to the "Female Relief Society of Nauvoo" in which he stated: "This Society shall have power to command Queens in their midst— I now deliver it as a prophecy that before ten years shall roll round, the queens of the earth shall come and pay their respects to this Society— they shall come with their millions and shall contribute of their abundance for the relief of the poor— If you will be pure, nothing can hinder. After this instruction, you will be responsible for your own sins. It is an honor to save yourself yourselves— all are responsible to save themselves."
Joseph Smith told Alexander Neibaur that he saw Jesus with a light complexion (white skin) and blue eyes (A.N. Journal, May 24,1844). Yes, Jesus is a white man, according to the founding Mormon/LDS prophet. This is related to some racial issues in LDS history and has clearly impacted LDS art to this day, as should be obvious throughout any official sources. (Whiteness is also true of Mary in 1 Nephi 11.13-15, who is even claimed by some LDS to actually be from England, based on legend.) Also see Mormonism - Shadow or Reality, ch. 21.
Also see Religion of a Different Color by W. Paul Reeve for many of the ironies in both American and Mormon history on racial issues and race-relations.
On the JST:
Utah Depression Rate
When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger
Fundamentalism and American Culture by George Marsden
Turning Points by Mark Noll
God's Strange Work: William Miller and the End of the World by David Rowe
Crucible of the Millennium by Michael Barkun
An Earnest Plea to Charismatics; An Earnest Plea to Seventh-day Adventists (Jason Wallace)
The War for Righteousness: Progressive Christianity, the Great War, and the Rise of the Messianic Nation by Richard Gamble
Woodrow Wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism by Ronald Pestritto
Paradise Now: The Story of American Utopianism by Chris Jennings
American Jesus by Stephen Prothero
The Doctrine of the Word of God by John Frame
Matthew (The Expositor's Bible Commentary); The King James Version Debate: A Plea For Realism by D.A. Carson
The King James Only Controversy by James White
Scribes and Scripture by John Meade and Peter Gurry
In the Beginning by Alister McGrath
God's Secretaries by Adam Nicolson
Three Views on the Millennium and Beyond, ed. Darrell Bock (also here)
A Case For Amillennialism: Understanding the End Time; The Man of Sin: Uncovering the Truth about the Antichrist by Kim Riddlebarger
Victory in Jesus: The Bright Hope of Postmillennialism by Greg Bahnsen
The Bible vs. Don Preston; The Church Impotent (Jason Wallace)
The Returning King: A Guide to the Book of Revelation by Vern Poythress
Triumph of the Lamb by Dennis Johnson
The Temple and the Church's Mission; The Book of Revelation (NIGTC); God Dwells Among Us by G. K. Beale
All Things New (NSBT) by Brian Tabb
Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman
No Place For Truth; Above All Earthy Pow'rs by David Wells
Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin
Hearing God's Words: Exploring Biblical Spirituality (NSBT) by Peter Adam
The Word is Worth a Thousand Pictures by Gregory Reynolds
Reformed Forum: here and here
Michael Horton: here and here
War Against the Idols by Carlos Eire
From Icons to Idols, ed. by David Davis
Original title: ...And there are also False Prophecies!
In this episode, Brendon and Skyler discuss the twenty-second lesson in the LDS Come, Follow Me sunday school manual. This week (May 22-28) is titled "The Son of Man Shall Come" and covers Joseph Smith-Matthew 1, Mark 12-13, and Luke 21.
We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors!
CORRECTION: The JST, when compared with his KJV equivalent - has only 118 changes in Romans. There were 1,554 changes to the Gospels. (Mormons and the Bible, p. 54; also see this issue in the context of ch.'s 1-3 of An Insider's View of Mormon Origins by Grant Palmer.)
It should be noted that in Mark 12 - Jesus, when asked what the greatest commandment is, begins with the Shema and thus, the monotheism denied in Mormon and/or LDS theology.
Contrary to what seems to be popular understanding among LDS, the Trinity is a monotheistic doctrine, and to claim that the Godhead are "three separate beings and persons" is to be polytheistic, no matter the aesthetic preference of someone like Jeffrey Holland. (also see here, and here to see how Joseph Smith spoke about the Trinity; also see The Trinity: An Introduction by Scott Swain for a short introduction to the foundational Christian doctrine.)
Moses warns against false prophets who lead people after other gods (Deut. 13.1-5); and Paul warns in Galatians that "even if we or an angel from heaven" preach a different gospel, let him/her be anathema, as well as warning against false apostles, men who preach "another Christ" - saying that "even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." (Gal. 1.7, 2 Cor. 11.4,13-14) And of course, the apostle John warns against "false prophets" and commands we "test the spirits". (1 John 4.1-3)
Sources:
Joseph Smith - Matthew (in the 1968 version, the heading above says "Writings of Joseph Smith")
Sunday school manual: here
Why the King James Version by J. Reuben Clark
New Testament Made Easier by David Ridges
Gospel Principles manual: here, here, here
JST Revelation; Sermon in the Grove (Joseph Smith)
A Voice of Warning by Parley Pratt; The Seer by Orson Pratt
The Culture of Christ (William Jackson)
The Office of Patriarch (Boyd K. Packer); also here and here
The Words of Joseph Smith, ed. by Andrew Ehat and Lyndon Cook; wherein it documents Joseph Smith stating: "I prophesy in the name of the Lord God - and let it be written - that the Son of Man will not come in the heavens till I am 85 years old, 48 years hence or about 1890." (p.180)
Brigham Young (JD 13.309); Jedediah Grant (JD 1.346);
Orson Hyde (JD 4.259); Wilford Woodruff (JD 18.37, 21.195)
Brigham Young also taught this in regard to the title "Son of Man", connected to his teaching that Michael is god:"[I]t is most significant that in the Hebrew language the word for man is Adam, hence in the some-odd 84 passages in the gospels when Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man, it can be taken quite literally as a claim on Jesus' part that he was the son of Adam." (Teachings of President Brigham Young, 3:327)
Conflict in the Quorum by Gary Bergera
Power From On High: The Development of Mormon Priesthood by Gregory Prince
Mormons and the Bible by Philip Barlow
The Mormon Jesus by John Turner
As A Thief In the Night by Dan Erickson
Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Sandra and Jerald Tanner
Joseph Smith claimed: "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam...Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet..." (HC 6:408; here)
D&C 84 (false prophecy about New Jerusalem)
D&C 114 (false prophecy about apostle David W. Patten - who would die Oct. 25, 1838 in the Battle of Crooked River; also see DHC 3.170-175)
Parley Pratt - the "Apostle Paul of Mormonism" wrote and published: “Now, Mr. Sunderland, you have something definite and tangible, the time, the manner, the means, the names, the dates; and I will state as a prophesy, that there will not be an unbelieving Gentile upon this continent 50 years hence; and if they are not greatly scourged, and in a great measure overthrown, within five or ten years from this date, then the Book of Mormon will have proved itself false.” (Mormonism Unveiled, 1838; found in The Essential Parley Pratt, p. 24)
D&C 130 (expectation that Jesus would come back in around 1890)
It should be noted that this is the context for the Manifesto on polygamy - esp. in light of Wilford Woodruff (then senior apostle!) even prophesying in the Manti Temple that "we are not going to stop the practice of plural marriage until the coming of the Son of man." (ibid., p.200, also here)
On April 28, 1842 - Joseph Smith delivered instruction to the "Female Relief Society of Nauvoo" in which he stated: "This Society shall have power to command Queens in their midst— I now deliver it as a prophecy that before ten years shall roll round, the queens of the earth shall come and pay their respects to this Society— they shall come with their millions and shall contribute of their abundance for the relief of the poor— If you will be pure, nothing can hinder. After this instruction, you will be responsible for your own sins. It is an honor to save yourself yourselves— all are responsible to save themselves."
Joseph Smith told Alexander Neibaur that he saw Jesus with a light complexion (white skin) and blue eyes (A.N. Journal, May 24,1844). Yes, Jesus is a white man, according to the founding Mormon/LDS prophet. This is related to some racial issues in LDS history and has clearly impacted LDS art to this day, as should be obvious throughout any official sources. (Whiteness is also true of Mary in 1 Nephi 11.13-15, who is even claimed by some LDS to actually be from England, based on legend.) Also see Mormonism - Shadow or Reality, ch. 21.
Also see Religion of a Different Color by W. Paul Reeve for many of the ironies in both American and Mormon history on racial issues and race-relations.
On the JST:
Utah Depression Rate
When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger
Fundamentalism and American Culture by George Marsden
Turning Points by Mark Noll
God's Strange Work: William Miller and the End of the World by David Rowe
Crucible of the Millennium by Michael Barkun
An Earnest Plea to Charismatics; An Earnest Plea to Seventh-day Adventists (Jason Wallace)
The War for Righteousness: Progressive Christianity, the Great War, and the Rise of the Messianic Nation by Richard Gamble
Woodrow Wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism by Ronald Pestritto
Paradise Now: The Story of American Utopianism by Chris Jennings
American Jesus by Stephen Prothero
The Doctrine of the Word of God by John Frame
Matthew (The Expositor's Bible Commentary); The King James Version Debate: A Plea For Realism by D.A. Carson
The King James Only Controversy by James White
Scribes and Scripture by John Meade and Peter Gurry
In the Beginning by Alister McGrath
God's Secretaries by Adam Nicolson
Three Views on the Millennium and Beyond, ed. Darrell Bock (also here)
A Case For Amillennialism: Understanding the End Time; The Man of Sin: Uncovering the Truth about the Antichrist by Kim Riddlebarger
Victory in Jesus: The Bright Hope of Postmillennialism by Greg Bahnsen
The Bible vs. Don Preston; The Church Impotent (Jason Wallace)
The Returning King: A Guide to the Book of Revelation by Vern Poythress
Triumph of the Lamb by Dennis Johnson
The Temple and the Church's Mission; The Book of Revelation (NIGTC); God Dwells Among Us by G. K. Beale
All Things New (NSBT) by Brian Tabb
Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman
No Place For Truth; Above All Earthy Pow'rs by David Wells
Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin
Hearing God's Words: Exploring Biblical Spirituality (NSBT) by Peter Adam
The Word is Worth a Thousand Pictures by Gregory Reynolds
Reformed Forum: here and here
Michael Horton: here and here
War Against the Idols by Carlos Eire
From Icons to Idols, ed. by David Davis