Breaking the Spell (Again): A Two Shrinks x Bewitched Crossover

Recorded at: Saguaro Lake Ranch, Arizona

In this special crossover episode of Two Shrinks on the Farm, Dr. Robyn McKay and Dr. Barbara Kerr trade the Kansas prairie for the Arizona desert as they meet at the historic Saguaro Lake Ranch—a place steeped in memory, healing, and academic roots. Together, they unpack the darker side of spiritual mentorship in the wake of Dr. McKay’s 24-day misadventures, into what can only be described as a psychologically and spiritually injurious retreat.

What begins as a reflection on shared history quickly unfolds into a compelling dialogue on the anatomy of spiritual harm, psychological resilience, and how even the most well-adjusted among us can find ourselves under the spell of charismatic—but ultimately dangerous—leaders.

You’ll hear:

• Why “if it can happen to us, it can happen to anyone” is more than just a warning—it's a truth about openness, intellect, and altered states.
• Barb's reflections on her own spiritual misadventure decades ago—and how it mirrors Robyn’s experience.
• The psychology behind cult-like dynamics, and how spiritual teachers can slide from benevolent mentors to manipulative leaders.
• The difference between spiritual crisis and psychiatric diagnosis—and why the integration of wisdom from both is essential to healing.
• The Dark Tetrad of personality and how delusions, narcissism, and moral injury intersect.
• What to keep, what to leave behind, and how to reclaim your gifts after spiritual betrayal.

✨ Plus: An unapologetically sharp and wise conversation on rituals, walk-ins, demon possession, and why spiritual healing doesn’t need to come with a side of psychological warfare.

🎧 This episode is part of the Bewitched series, co-hosted by Robyn McKay and Alyse Bacine, released alongside Louisa’s story.

🎧 Listen to Louisa’s powerful story—dropping today—over on She{ology} by Dr. Robyn McKay and get caught up on the 7 previous episodes of Bewitched while you’re there.

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