In this episode, Robyn is joined by Michael Diana, a PhD student in Counseling Psychology and the youngest member of Barb’s academic lineage. They come together in the wake of Barb’s recent injury to reflect on what it really means to let healers receive the care they so often give.

Together, they explore themes of presence, spiritual bypassing, helper dynamics, and how to discern when we’re being helpful versus performative. The episode closes with a Loving-Kindness Meditation dedicated to Barb—and to every healer learning how to rest.

In This Episode:

• What happens when the healer is laid out
• Presence vs. performance in support
• Healing dynamics in high-functioning helpers
• Why some people can’t stop fixing—even at the bedside
• Bioenergetic coherence and the ripple effects of nervous system calm
• Personal stories of checking in, holding back, and choosing discernment over urgency
• Loving-Kindness Meditation (for Barb and beyond)

Guest:

👨‍🎓 Michael Diana

PhD candidate in Counseling Psychology at the University of Kansas

Instagram: @michaeldiana

Mentions & Resources:

• Barb (our beloved co-host and mentor)
• Research on Loving-Kindness Meditation and trauma recovery
• Transcendental Meditation and Washington D.C. crime rate study
• Power of prayer and field coherence in healing
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