Everyone who has big dreams and the courage to pursue them experiences big disappointment, typically early in the journey. But what sets some apart is the ability to keep pressing forward through big disappointment.

I begin this episode with a brief discussion with my friend Joshua Manns about a big disappointment in my own life. To hear how that story ends, how I rebounded, and how this dynamic has played out in Josh’s life, the whole interview is live on my Patreon page. You can find it at Patreon.com/bouttheb.

After the intro with Josh, I jump right into my interview with Justin Chan. 1 out of every 5 drops of oil consumed by residents of the SF Bay Area was produced by his company. This episode is the story of what brought him to this place.

Enjoy!