In this detailed conversation, I interview Dr. Joseph Scalia III to discuss our journey with the Gallatin Yellowstone Wilderness Alliance (GYWA) based in Bozeman, Montana and the broader challenges facing wilderness preservation. We reflect on our past and present experiences, including efforts to advocate for wilderness designations on public lands in the Gallatin Range and northern Yellowstone ecosystem. We delve into the complexities of environmental advocacy, the influence of big green groups, and the negative impacts of increased recreation on these lands. We also highlight the importance of species like grizzly bear and elk and discuss legislative efforts and The Gallatin Forests Partnership, a conservation collaborative, that poses a huge risk to the wild Gallatins. This conversation spans the transformational changes needed in both public perception and policy to genuinely protect the the Gallatin Range, Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, and beyond. www.gallatinyellowstonewilderness.org 

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