We’ve been taught that “good” relationships are the ones without conflict, but I’m calling BS on that. In this episode of Five with Fry, I’m digging into the idea that conflict isn’t a sign of failure. It’s actually proof of depth.

Think about it: when you care enough to wrestle with discomfort, speak hard truths, and work through disagreement instead of walking away, that says something. Real relationships require tension. Avoiding conflict might keep things polite, but it also keeps them shallow.

I share why so many of us were conditioned to fear conflict and how that shows up—either by shutting down or going full steam ahead. Neither of those extremes helps us build the skills we need for real connection. But if you’re willing to stay in the room when things get tough? That’s where the growth lives.

Whether you tend to avoid conflict or meet it head-on, this episode will challenge the way you see it, and maybe the way you show up in your closest relationships. Let’s talk about the unspoken stuff. Let’s get honest. And let’s stop treating conflict like it’s the enemy.

Grab my new book, I Said No, for more on how to navigate the messy, meaningful moments in work and life. And hit me up @JenFryTalks. I want to know how this episode landed with you.