Some of what was discussed in this episode:

• Michael on the book "People Skills" by Robert Bolton
• Anticipatory Hearing - hearing but you are listening in for the next thing, how art pulls you forward
• Hearing vs listening
• “I wish I had some way to make a bridge from man to man, but man is all we've got”
• “Language is an attempt to bridge consciousness” - Spider
• How to improve the bandwidth of communication
• Robert Sapolsky on language
• A discussion on how we can give permission to our collaborators to be their best selves "We are not fronting here"
• Michael on songwriting with friends, making music videos, feedback and the utility of limitations
• How do you facilitate the upgrading of others?
• The timing of feedback
• Michael’s Book - how is your book going to be uniquely you?
• Can one write the book without using any words?
• A discussion of how to monetize a body of work, of thought
• Michael's first book written in college and fond memories of writing it “Design-ology - The Official Unofficial Design Student’s Survival Guide”
• Frank Gehry on Masterclass
• The value of time alone
• Feedback - a question of if not when
• Jon on inviting useful feedback and knowing when it's done
• Jon reads a poem
• Etymology of the word Poetry
• Spider is loving a Youtube channel Bandsplaining
• Silver Apples - inventing techno music with WWII oscillators and guitar amps
• A discussion of how art relates to it's context - "Frank Gehry - Is the work iconic and self referential or in conversation with its surroundings"
• The Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam - how imperfect presentation of a collection was perfect
• Looking back at records we loved
• Irish poet Pat Ingoldsby - juxtaposing pathos and humor
• Priming oneself for art
• 1969 Silver Apples Pan Am Story
• A conveyor belt analogy for art and artfulness - A discussion about the unusual
• Chaotic people
• A recap of where we are at with the Podcast - how do we even describe what it is and what it does for us?

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