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In this episode, my wife Pam and I talk to Pat Gempel, a pioneer of women's ministry and one of the "30 would-be disciples" who gathered in a living room in Boston and propelled the church to 60% annual growth for 10 straight years. She shares:

• How she came to Boston
• What it was like at the beginning of the Boston Movement
• How she found her daughter that she had put up for adoption 23 years earlier
• How she lost her husband, Bob
• Her view on women's ministry and the current discussion of women's role in the church

This episode was originally recorded and released in December of 2021 as Episode 136